8/26/05

CHICANO VARRIO MEMBERS

CHICANO VARRIO MEMBERS

When people talk about gangs in Southern California, they usually think young Black men - Bloods & Crips. But the typical gang member is not a B or C. He is not confined to South Central L.A. He lives in places like Wilmington and Pomona and Santa Ana and Norwalk and Canoga Park and East Los Angeles.
He is heir to a warrior tradition of struggle and clannish violence that stretches back to the first half of the 20th century.
Obscured by the nationwide public attention that has been paid to L.A's. Black gangs - is the fact that Chicano gang members outnumber at least 2 to 1 the Black gang members in L.A. County.

L.A. County's Chicano gangs are deeply rooted in their respective communities, and have existed for a long time. Traditionally, many older Chicano gangs have distinct subdivisions called cliques, segregated by either age or geography; these create a social network amongst the gang. In such gangs when a group of youngsters want to join or create their own clique, they ask permission from the gang veterans. In one East Los Angeles gang alone for example (White Fence), there's a chronological 17 cliques, each a formal generational layer, each with a separate name and membership that came to form part of the gang one after another since 1935.

Despite this longevity, Chicano gangs have been easy to overlook in recent years.
For one thing, deaths from their disputes have plunged dramatically during the last decades, particularly in East L.A. the nations best-known Mexican Community.
For another, their violence is diffused through many Barrios, rather than being concentrated in a single area like South L.A.
For still another, Cholos, as Chicano gang members are commonly known, are harder to recognize than they used to be. The Cholo uniform of oversized pendleton shirt & khakis, long considered part of the L.A. cultural landscape and popularized in many movies, was abandoned by most gang members years ago in favor of more subtle and individualized garb.

Still, quietly and unspectacularly, the carnage continues.
Small bits of violence, not quite horrifying enough to make headlines, percolate everywhere.
The fact remains that Chicano gangs will never love each other as far as the killings are concerned because somewhere along the line, somebody killed somebody's brother, cousin or homeboy.
What some of the older non-active veteranos and community groups have tried to reinforce is that there is a need to respect each other's neighborhood, and each other's property.

This is a code born of remote segregated Barrios that felt the need to band together against racial discrimination & hostile unknown forces, when the outside world was exactly that "the outside world", an era when connections with Mexican culture were far stronger than today's.
The code included a distinct set of traditions, rules and taboos passed down for generations. It said, violence was not committed randomly, only to settle specific scores. You did not shoot into someone's house. You did not attack bystanders. You did not jump a rival gang member if he was in company of his family.

Much of this code has fallen by the wayside. The gang-world has changed.
The huge increase in immigrants to L.A. from Mexico and Central American countries in the last decades has weakened the traditional gang structure by filling many communities with thousands of youngsters desperate for acceptance. Some commit crazed acts to win respect from other gang members, others fearful of attack from or already exposed to gangs, band together to create their own gangs.

In new gangs, where there are no older members above their 30's or 40's - nobody is teaching the new generation "la palabra - the word", how to keep true respect.
Despite all the changes, the "code of honor and respect" is still often cited proudly by Chicano gang members to make the point that they - unlike B's & C's, who are viewed as wild-eyed, unprincipled newcomers to the gang-world are part of something special.

In Chicano gangs "you gotta have a lot of heart"
Take the issue of -

(1) Snitching -

"You never snitch on anybody, not even a rival gang member" it is painfully difficult to persuade a Chicano gang member to implicate an associate or anyone else for that matter, Chicano gang members won’t roll over too easy.

(2) Bravery -

"You never rank out", don't disavow loyalty to you Barrio even if you're facing 20 rivals all alone, "fight to the death".

(3) Por Vida -

"Devoted-until death", you can never say you're an ex-gang member, you may not be active & don't bang any more, but "a gang member still - for life".

Unique to Chicano gangs, with few exceptions, nothing like it has evolved in the street society of gangs where there is too much betrayal, dread, and too lil' life predictability.

There is a lil' bit of these values in all of us Mexicans, gang members or not - loyal to the end. This bond can be as strong as family, and far stronger than warnings of incarceration or death.

To outsiders this is incomprehensible with no sense, but to a Chicano gang member it is having mucho corazon - a lot of heart.

28 comments:

Gizmo said...

Great site!!!. I plan to recommend it.

Anonymous said...

Thank you. You are correct.Coming from a South Sider.

Anonymous said...

Viva Sur 13!!

Anonymous said...

orale!, good sight, time to show the little kids what a real gangster is all about. pride,loyalty,respect,and huevos!!!

Anonymous said...

orale!, good sight, time to show the little kids what a real gangster is all about. pride,loyalty,respect,and huevos!!! gangs are just stupid childish kids who are killing our future and the case now our own race. it is not about having huevos, all of it is stupidity. Instead of killing get a job and go to school babosos!!!!

Im a ruca who agrees to wut you say in your site. Lets bring back our raza and teach them lil kids wut the true meaning of pachuco is!!!!!

chicano pride said...

i think and alot know this for a fact sometimes kids run to join gangs as to fit in and be cool,fit in and what not and there are those who feel as though they have no where to go and our lost in their minds and have problems at home and so on...so i say to those "veteranos or any member" that the lil ones turn to is give them some positive guidence as far as going to school, staying away from the mota and the coca and so on. if they want to be down for their shit and have power and respect, tell them to become teachers, governors serve their country and think beyond they can ever imagine. we need stronger chicanos to guide are people in the right direction. im no gang member, but my lil brother was going nowhere quick with that shit, and all it took was a hand to reach out and tell him what was awaiting him in the future. he now serves the in the U.S. NAVY and has traveled almost half the world. Now thats whuz up! Now thats one bad ass chicano and only 20 yrs old. this is a message with nothing but RESPECT for my people!ITS ALL ABOUT RAZA!

some one who cares about our RAZAS future. said...

you want to know what and who is real "G"? those serving are country, especially our raza out in this f@#ken war and those who have fallen before them. Its not some foo getting that paper slanging and shooting up his own raza and he runs around calling him self a soldier. thats no soldier thats a lost mind who was led in the wrong direction. thats when we give that " GRITO"! telling are people there is better ways to survive. GO back to school and become somebody and not a statistic.
p.s to the chicano pride comments...i hear you carnal! especially for those who put this website up.

Anonymous said...

The Reason Neighborhoods fight is because some dudes aint got no reason to livee the Brown Berets and all the groups like it are gone.You join a varrio for a reason to live and die.Not everyone is strong enough to shrugg all the shit around them off

Anonymous said...

the reason the new pendejos have no respect is because their minds are rotted out with speed, drugs. the sale and short pleasure of it has people nuts! it's a sad epidemic. fast cash and a little panoch won't make you smart or untouchable, much less respectable. face it, them days of loyalty don't exist anymore. the only respect these fools have is respect for money. anything to be a lazy ass burden on society.

ES PBS SPANKY said...

WHAT'S UP TO ALL THE SURENOS IN LOS ANGELES! PURO BARRIO ES PLAYBOYS GANGA IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL AREA

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

wats crackin dis SIL3NCE8 from that big bad barrio southside 38 street MORGAN BAGOS be the CKLICKA

Anonymous said...

THIS IS BULLET FROM BROWN PRIDE DE DENVER COLORADO B.P. TO THE FULLEST.

Anonymous said...

FUCK ANIMALES...
ALWAYS SMELLN,TELLN AND YELLN..

QUE VIVA LA RAZA!!!
PURO SUR TRECE...

Anonymous said...

ALOT OF THIS IS TRUE BUT LET ME SAY SOMETHING TO ALL. i GOT IN A GANG AT 15 YEARS OLD AND LET ME TELL YOU THIS FOR FACT.. i KNEW WAT i WAS GETTING IN TOO, BECOUSE GANG BANGIN IS NOT A FANTACY OR A GAME IS JUST A WAY OF LIFE... ME ENTINDES. LIKE A RICH MOTHERFUCKER.. WHEN HE DRIVES AROUND IN A BENZ OF BMW, THATS HIS WAY OF LIFE. YES WE CAN BE BETTER BUT WE CHOOSE TO BE GANGBANGER OR GANGSTERS, CHOLOS,VATOS LOCOS, YOU KNOW. IS A WAY OF LIFE i KNOW AND i ALLWAY BE FROM MY VARRIO...

Anonymous said...

A BIG PROBLEM IS ALOT OF THESE YOUNGSTERS ARE PICKING UP ALL THESE FUCKEN MAYATE MANAS...
SAGGING THEIR TRAMOS AND TALKING LIKE NIGGERS...
THEY IDENTIFY MORE WITH THE MAYATE THAN WITH THEIR OWN COLTURA, THATS A SHAME...

Anonymous said...

Nah! it's only the Chutaros paisas from south central and pueblas.

Homies from the East Side will get there ass kick it!

Anonymous said...

orale lobo solo you came correct with your torica of real gangs and all that goes along with truely being a soldado and claiming a neighborhood and yes when youngsters have no guidance from the veteranos then alot of things go wrong and things change and respect is thrown to the wayside your putting in some good work and your website is much needed to inform and represent us as a people there are many different styles and levels of life for chicanos who grew up from the days gone by to the present orale carnal keep up the good work and que viva nuestra raza

Anonymous said...

real talk,true vida,remember raza.were all connected whether were southside or northside,if we could put are diffrences aside even for awhile,ther is no one,or nothing that could stop us..we would be too big,too bad, too massive,too strong,too chingon...like the aztec nation,1 love,1 goal,chicano pride.the familia that stays together,will own it all.

marco said...

THE PROBLEM NOW IS THAT YOUNG ONES ARE PICKING UP THE MAYATE, LIFESTYLE AND THEY ARE STARTING TO BELIEVE BIENG A MAYATE IS COOL AND THEY WISH THEY WERE BORN A DIFFRENT COLOR BUT WERE CHICANOS AND WE MUST HONOR AND RESPECT OUR HERITAGE AND THE WAY OF THE VARRIO
vSSRx3
SED CLICK
SUR 13 POR VIDA

Anonymous said...

AQUI PARA VARRIO HANG OUT BOYS LOS BROADWAY LOKOTES FUCK MAYATES

Anonymous said...

ITS FIRME TO READ THIS KIND OF RHETORIC, A FAR BREAK FROM THE NORM OF TALKING SHIT BACK AND FORTH YOU SEE ON OTHER SITES.
MUCH RESPECT FOR THE FOUNDERS OF THIS BLOG.

Anonymous said...

patos locos for never

Anonymous said...

damn wat a shame, talkin about how we should teach our lil kids to be "gangsta" instead of teachin dem nonesense we should influence dem to go to school to be someone in life.... seriously wat pride do you get from gangbangin, beatin down a vato cuz hes in da wrong hood com'on man dats pride...I'll tell you wat pride is, its wen u graduate from College and your parents have tears in there eyes cuz u made it, all der hard work paid off dats wat pride is... so dont come wit ur bs talkin about how this is a way of life cuz dats garbage perhaps for u cuz u have accepted the fact of being just another statistic in society but dont try to sell ur lame excuse to my raza... Oh n if you think I know nothin about da barrio den ur wrong Im from Brooklyn...I put it down on da streets for years N let me tell u wat I got back, 6 scars from my stab wounds, a GED cuz I drop out of h.s, my carnal up north doin a 14 yr bid oh n a niece who hardly remembers her pops cuz she was only 4 wen he went up... Oh im sayin to ya who think ya cant change, believe me ya can change.. school is fundamental though remember dat, education is da key to success n dats a fact. U might hit some bumps on da road but you cant let dat discourage you, you got to keep on tryin till u reach da finish line n believe me once you achieve this its all worth it...

Anonymous said...

EAST LOS BOYLE HEIGHT'S TINY BOYS GANG!!!!!

Anonymous said...

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MuFukRz tRYna b lIKe mAYaTES..WaT dIsCRaCE.

Anonymous said...

fuck all you bitchess!!! get money!!!

Smart One said...

I 've beeen around since the cut downs ese crazy puppet from Tijuana i was tied to the Arreallnos Logan, I broung tons of cocaine into America, now im on Welfare cause im a dididididi diri so get educated, don't be pendejos all this is bullshit anyways do u want to get fuck by a nigger in ur culo in the Pinta then keep up the bull shit A, u will be swishing ur assholes for fool in the joint