2/11/13

OLD TOWN NATIONAL CITY

Official Varrio Initials: "OTNC"

Aka: “PVNC” Pueblo Viejo National City

Flag color: Baby (powder) Blue

Lid: Univ. of North Carolina

Hand Sign: (Pending Art)

Numerical Initials: XVXX and 1520

OLD TOWN NATIONAL CITY gets its name due to the fact that Ciudad Nacional is the second oldest City in the County, dating back to the late 1800s. Before the City was incorporated as NC, it formed part of the Older “Rancho de la NACION.” And even though the Varrio OTNC is much younger than the actual City, the name Old Town National City was already in popular use in the 1930s, a mere decade after the Mexican community (barrio) had settled in the area in good numbers.

OTNC is one of the biggest and oldest varrio’s of San Diego County and it is also considered to be the Oldest Varrio in NATIONAL CITY. Its reputation is well known all around and vatos from OTNC represent in most pintas. Some from OTNC ranks have even gone up the ladder all the way to the top, becoming full-fledged eMe members and even AFC associates.

NATIONAL CITY The Town is also home to one of the oldest and most renowned cruisin spots in the Southland. “HIGHLAND” Avenue, which at its peak in the 1980s was a mecca for cruisin’. The local SAN DIEGO/NATIONAL CITY crusin’ scene goes back to the 1940s when Pachucos rolled through the border towns in cutdown Chevrolets. Lowriders and cruisin grew in strength and numbers through the decades of the 50s and 60s, and reached a high point in the 1970s when cruisin to and from Chicano Park in Barrio Logan and down to N.C’s Highland Avenue was a must on weekends and occasions.

Old Town incorporates the National City part in its name and initials “always” and that’s because OTNC claims the City (Town) and not necessarily SOUTH BAY S.D. even though OTNC does ride in the South Bay car. But for the most part OTNC claims strictly “WEST SIDE NC.”

NATIONAL CITY, CHULA VISTA and IMPERIAL BEACH are their own cities and they’re not part of the City of San Diego, therefore OTNC does not claim “SOUTH SIDE S.D.” But OTNC is right dead smack in the middle/borderline between San Diego’s SOUTH BAY and San Diego's SOUTH EAST Side.

OTNC like all other legit Varrio’s from SOxCAL is part of the “SUR 13” camp.

OTNC also claims the biggest chunk of territory of all the National City Varrios. They claim the neighborhood from . . .

Borders: (But not restricted to)
(N) Division Street
(S) 18 Street, even as far as 24 Street
(W) I-5 Freeway
(E) Highland Avenue

Old Corazon del Barrio:
Between 4Th and 8Th Calles
With Coolidge, Roosevelt and Hoover Avenues.
What little remains of the Old Barrio is all in present times East of the I-5 Freeway. The rest fell under the freeway construction and another portion taken over by the Naval Station.

Cliques:

OTNC Varrio dates back to the 1940s and it is currently hitting on its sixth or seventh generation.

GTS GATOS
Another Veteranos Clique, but they do have some young recruits and are still represented.

MIDGETS a.k.a. ENANO BOYS "EBS"
OG HQ's at PALM and R Avenue.
Claim the area from 4TH Street, to
Palm Avenue, to Avenue R.

INSANES a.k.a. INSANE BOYS "IBS"
One of the most reputed and active cliques from OTNC in the 1990s and still going strong!
OG HQ's "E" Avenue Block
Claim the area around Avenue E, but in reality they’re all over the place.

ANTIGUOS a.k.a. OLDEN BOYS "OBS"
OG HQ's at HOOVER & 19Th "DEAD END"
Claim the Kimball Park neighborhood, and the turf west of 19 Street, plus the Hoover Avenue Dead End. OBS is said to the biggest and most active clique going hard in present times.

Both the Insanes and Oldens are the biggest cliques of OTNC but they seem to run separately as if each clique runs their own part of the neighborhood.

LATINOS a.k.a. LATINO BOYS
Mostly Brown Bro's HQ in Tj.

OTNC Varrio has been through out its history “a target” for placas and city gov to try and bust and break down. It has had a long history of police crackdowns culminating in the most recent injunctions placed on them of recent years to try and evict them from their birth grounds. But OTNC Raza persists and they ain’t going nowhere. If anything, all that PD & GOV has achieved is “spread” the Varrio around beyond its original terreno. Nowadays OTNC Homeboys are found all over the County and State, and although they may be far away from home, their love for their Varrio has no end.

OTNC will never end!

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Anonymous said...

“Showing Love to the Hood”
A Community Without Gang Intervention



By Raymond R. Beltran

At ages seventeen and eighteen, cousins Carlos and Tony are already veteran gang members in Old Town National City, or more commonly known as OTNC.

They were jumped in during their early teenage years, somewhere around fourteen. But both will testify that initiation was inevitable since before their preteen years and that, for them, the lure of joining didn’t exist. It was more of a right of passage in a childhood already riddled with violence.

Today, they’re trying to make the best out of two lives, labeled by a criminal history. Tony works at a tire shop. He enjoys his trade. And Carlos is in school, and trying to get his life together for his new son, all while subject to the restrictions of National City’s gang injunction.

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“I felt like I was by myself, and they took me in ... put clothes on my back and fed me,” says 17 year old Carlos about his initial years in the gang life.
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But are they still from OTNC? For these two, there’s no alternative.

“You know how they say it’s never too late? Well, I skipped all those years being locked up,” Tony says. “Like regular students … it’s too late to go back and do that. You already got your friends, your gang. I can’t just go back and make new friends.”

Growing up, Tony’s friends were not only ten years older than him; they were heavy drinkers and gang bangers themselves. He didn’t have a father to turn to and his mother was a drug addict. If there was ever a poster boy for at-risk youth, it was Tony at nine years old, the age he began to recognize drugs, alcohol and street violence.

He and his two brothers, one older, one younger, raised themselves he remembers. Shootings were a part of growing up. In fact, Tony got on his knees during this interview to explain the day when he knelt down to hold his dying uncle, shot by rivals.

By the time he was an eighth grader, he was running the streets and at school, he was working on getting expelled.

“I got kicked out of school in eighth grade for bringing a pound to school, for selling weed,” he says with a tone of practicality. “From there on, I got expelled from the district and went to summit in 2002. But … I just got more homies.”

More homies and more crime led him to his first time incarceration in 2003, possession of stolen property. He was sent to Juvenile Ranch Facility at Rancho del Campo, a facility that focuses on chemical dependency. It sprung somewhat of a comfort in recidivism. He returned five more times before he was sent to Camp Barrett Youth Correctional Center for stabbing someone while at a local corner store on Christmas day 2004.

“If you do a crime, no one’s pressing you,” he says. “But to the hood, it’s showing love.”

Showing love, he says, is the way members prove their loyalty to their “other family,” a vital common denominator in a group that seems to have no chain of command or rules to abide by. Taking care of one’s family at home during an incarceration is another sign of loyalty, Tony says.

The stabbing that led him to Camp Barrett, he says, he didn’t commit. He was showing love by taking the downfall. And asked how OTNC’s activity compares to other barrios in San Diego, like Shell Town and Logan Heights, he simply says, “insane.”

Seventeen year old Carlos lifted up his pants to show his six inch tattoos on his upper legs, an Old English style “OT” on his right and “NC” on his left.

“I’m still in,” he says, in a boyish smile. “I felt like I was by myself, and they took me in when I was on the streets, put clothes on my back and fed me.”

Carlos and Tony seemed to have experienced the same childhood. Carlos’s father was deported when he was barely a child and he was raised by his aunt. He spent a lot of time homeless, shacking up with different ‘veteranos,’ or elders, “earning his stripes” he says.

He’s been a recidivist throughout his teenage years, mostly for probation violation, but the initial arrest was for assault with a deadly weapon when he was fourteen. He beat someone with a baseball bat, retaliation for having been jumped earlier that same day.

Statistically, “violence by perceived gang members declined by 73% between 1993 and 2003,” according to Washington DC’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, and according to the San Diego Gang Crimes Overview 2005-2006, robbery, shootings, and attempted murder have declined citywide.

But these statistics do not speak to the number of youth who are steadily initiated into ‘la vida loca,’ the crazy life.

There’s currently 85 gang sets countywide, according to the San Diego Police Department, with 3,606 members documented. Males exponentially outnumber females, and only five percent of all documented are juveniles that are initiated at age fourteen.

OTNC is rumored to have anywhere from three to five hundred members, with several cliques that fall under OTNC, like sister corporations. Carlos and Tony agree that at least one person is jumped in every week. At times, members who are incarcerated return to the streets and find a group of brothers they don’t even know yet.

“There’s always going to be new fools,” Carlos says. “Once a baby’s born in the hood, there’s always going to be somebody new.”

Tony says initiation is not something that’s pressured or bullied where he’s from. They won’t just take anybody. He says there are gangs that vastly outnumber others in San Diego, because “they just jump in anybody,” the weak, “punks,” and even new immigrants.

Eva Vargas is a resident of South Crest, more commonly known as Shell Town. She’s raising her fourteen year old grandson, Ricky. But lately, raising a fatherless teenage boy has become a fragile situation. His father is incarcerated, and he’s already at a traditionally defiant age. That, she says, means easy pickings for any group.

“I don’t want him to experience anything that’s going to hurt his heart,” she says. “Killing and violence, it does something to you … Little by little, it diminishes you as a human being and takes away from who you are and who you want to be.”

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Shell Town resident, Eva Vargas
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Ricky is her ear on the street though, and recently, she learned that a thirteen year old boy was beaten up by three young men at the local park. Police have stopped to question Ricky on the streets more often and last November, a seventeen year old boy was shot only blocks away from her home.

“It has its nice times, then it has its eruptions,” Vargas says about Shell Town.

But literally, it’s the writing on the walls, gang tags or graffiti, which tell Vargas that an eruption is brewing in her community.

San Diego Police Department statistics show that Shell Town experienced up to thirteen gang related crimes between 2005 and 2006, a far cry from areas like Logan Heights, Linda Vista and Mira Mesa that experienced up to twenty-five.

Her grandson has been to four different schools in the last few years, and she says that he’s been introduced to several counselors who didn’t help him with issues stemming from family instability, which Vargas says is the root of the issue.

Time is of the essence for her solution, because in the past year, Ricky’s been more apt to walk the streets alone, and his mother, Vargas’s daughter, has been fending off veteran gang members from engaging her son. Not too long ago, he confessed to sneaking a screw driver to school after an altercation with two other boys.

She feels her only hope is to send him to live with relatives in Mira Mesa.

“I know they have their problems too (Mira Mesa), but at least it will be a change. I have to do something,” she says.

Vargas attended a meeting in mid February at St. Jude’s Church in Shell Town with the city’s new Gang Prevention and Intervention Commission.

“The gang issues are nothing like they were fifteen or twenty years ago,” said Henry Rodriguez, a priest in the community. “My main point is, look at some of the things that have been done in the past.”

Gangs in the mid 80s and early 90s cost the lives of many in his church he says. At that time, the community began Neighborhood Policing, a program where officers would conduct monthly meetings about the issue. Residents were made community officers who kept in close contact with police patrols. Many were in favor of the program and, surprisingly, say racial profiling hadn’t been a factor.

“It was helping because residents were taking charge,” Rodriguez says. “They were more of an active role in their community.”

Though gang injunctions seem to be the most favored tactic of police and the city, many residents, like Vargas, say that gangs are only a symptom of a larger issue.

Like Vargas, experts as well as counselors from local youth facilities say what’s missing are more recreational activities, like sports and art, which help fill a void in the lives of at-risk youth. Mentoring programs have been highly underestimated say a number of academic and non-profit sources.

At St. Jude’s, the city’s new gang commission agreed to support the State of California’s Safe Passage Program in schools and to recommend a neighborhood council to get involved. The commission’s task is to advise the mayor about what intervention programs are most successful in order to seek out more funding for them.

“Not to say their not doing the right thing, but [their data] will be put in a folder and put away,” Vargas says about the commission’s efforts. “It’s because the people at the top won’t involve themselves. They don’t want to spend money, and it’s too complicated … Neighborhood Policing was good, but do you see it? No.”

At the meeting, Vargas pleaded in tears for someone to lead her in the right direction. She doesn’t want to see her grandson leave, but immediate results are crucial. She left St. Jude’s with a handful of new phone numbers and no questions answered.

Many in the neighborhood feel the same way. Carlos looks at city officials with skeptical eyes.

“I think they’re trying to put us in a circle to just kill each other, lock us up,” he says. “That’s the city government.”

Carlos, who plans on moving to Temecula once he graduates, says he hopes his son doesn’t walk his same path, but his family history may determine otherwise.

He’s the third generation of OTNC gang membership and he’s seen a slew of tactics used to suppress gang activity, but so far, nothing he’s seen has been done to intervene at the age of gang initiation, which is sometimes as young as eight or nine.

Anonymous said...

NC ain't that bad. I would live in NC anyday especially over hoods like Logan Heights, Sherman Heights, Shelltown, Southcrest, Mountain Veiw, and Otay.

NC just has a bad rap because of the late 80's.

Showing that OLDEN LOVE!!!

V"OT"WS"NC" for life.

Anonymous said...

Man..that injunction put the hurt on tha City!

OTNC ain't what it used to be!

Anonymous said...

OTSD13 ONLY!!!!!!PRESIDIO PARKE!

Anonymous said...

Hey to the homie that keeps hitting up OTSDX3...can you school us on your hood. I don't know anything about OTSDX3. Like when it came up...

I never saw an OTSDX3 hitup until 1997-but I heard OTSDX3 goes way farther back than that.

U guys beef with all the other West Siders?

Anonymous said...

Here some mad props to tha tru G's in DAGO!

All these sets have the downest G's and they put in the mad work:

South Bay:
OTAY 13
OTNC
DEL SOL
IMPERIAL
NC ACRE BOYS
NC BLOCK BOYS
SIDRO

Southeast:
SHELLTOWN 38
SHELLTOWN GAMMA
SHERMAN 20
SHERMAN 27
LOGAN 30
LOGAN RED STEPS
VARRIO MARKET
LOMITA VILLAGE 70'S

East Side:
ESD 13
CITY HEIGHTS JUNIORS

West Side:
LINDA VISTA 13

North County:
ESCO VARRIO DIABLOS
VARRIO POSOLE
CENTER STREET LOCOS
VARRIO SAN MACOS GHOST TOWN

East County:
OFF THA MAP!

A lot of people say OTNC is the oldest gang in Dago...but I heard of OTAY (OTAY BARRIO), Sidro (BARRIO SAN YSIDRO), and POSOLE (POSOLE TOWN) being around as gangs since the 20's/30's.

OTAY vs SIDRO dates back to the 20's/30's!

Lone Wolf is right about NC ANCHOR BOYS. They were around in NC BEFORE OTNC came up. They came up in the early 40's. OTNC Night Owls came up in the late 40's/ early 50's. The Night Owls claimed "OLD TOWN" NC, because their barrio remained in an undeveloped old part of National City (west of NC BLVD from 8th to 24th), while newer houses were being put up east of National City BLVD the late 40's and early 50's. That's why the street sighs past National City BLVD says E(ast) before the street name that far west into NC. Back then...that was the east side! OTNC Gatos (50's/60's) are said to be the generation after the Night Owls. I guess there are still homies from OTNC that have kept GTS going throughout the years via new recruits.

Anchor Boys were supposed to have died off in the 50's...after OTNC took off. Don't know if they were allied though...but my uncle told me that Anchor Boys and Otay used to beef in the 1940's.

When the media/NCPD reports that OTNC has been around since WWII...I think they mean gangs in NC have been around since WWII (NC Anchor Boys). I'm sure all of you are well aware of how much the media...and PD tend to screw up the real deal when it come to our hoods. I read a PD report by Sanders himself, whicj stated that the RED STEPS were a click of the LOGAN 30TH STREET gang!

Anonymous said...

Lone wolf,
I was reading your chronology for National City and was surprised to see my old kilka left off the list. we were the National City homeboys, HBOYS, HBS, Nacional. We encompassed the area from OTNC in the West all the way to Rachel Street east south to 33rd and north to division. We had members from OTNC, ESNC, LANOITAN SHADOWS and Barrio NACIONAL from the area around kimnall park. We hung out at Las Palmas also known as " ele pe" and Kimball park as well as ROCA PARK in chula vista. We did not allow anyone else to join the clika as we were doing it all dirty and didn't want the kids to get in on it and so they had to start thier own clikas which is where the (Enanos)EBS, (Acre boys)ABS, (Block Boys)BBS,(Olden Boys) OBS, and even shell town Gamma GBS got thier names.At the time there were some people from the bolen park dukes, vickeystown and 18th street that moved in and tried to start thier barrios in Nacional. We held a meeting around 1977 at Las Palmas and outlawed all other barrios unless they had the letters Ene Ce in them. I remember fighting this guy named cobra that was trying to lay it down for 18th street and after he lost to me, one on one, they were done .Nobody else stepped forward from any of the other clikas and We united the barrio under one clika HBOYS and held it together till a HBOY killed someone and then we all started to go to jail and realized the mess we created. By 1982 under intense police pressure and due to our own self destructive tendencies, all HBoys were in jail, strung out on dope or had moved away. It was immediately after that highland ave was shut down and NCPD get up the pressure to keep the biggest and best cruise spot to ever hit san diego closed. I always felt bad aboout that part of our pendejadas but ni modo we were pendejos and fucked it all up for everyone else. But one thing I can attest to is that whomever got the wrong end of the stick with us had it coming and only got it after much patience on our part. We understood highland was an open spot for all to cruise but to disrespect the barrio the homes and the people there was a no-no and was not tolerated by our generation and so that was how highland was shut down.Putasos,filerasos y cuetazos como se dio recibieron.
The inention was to care for the barrio and its residents, We never stole from our barrio or destroyed anything except maybe some park walls here and there. But respect was a big thing for us. We policed ourselves and watched out for the other younger guys from the clikas. I remember fighting more than once after seeing someone from the other clikas getting jumped or fucked with from someone else. We also had parties with ESD, Shell Town, Lomita, Chula Vista,San Marcos, Esco viejo,Spring Valley,Sidro, just about anyone we could and usually it was peaceful.

CitySlicker said...

OTNC is one of SD's hardest and more respected hoods. Also Logan and Otay, OTNC is well known and respected in the pin and well known in the streets. The hood can be shady at times but thats how it goes.. Its a City thang

CitySlicker said...

National City HomeBoys is an older clika. Thats fool Magazine or whatever from NC HBS been making a fool out of himself, serio that fool be making HomeBoys look bad. That fat fuck needs a big chekeada.

Anonymous said...

Gots to give up to big mismo from the town putting in mad work from the streets of national city and up and down the state penitantary a real true active gang member from otnc....

Anonymous said...

i am not a choLa;; but my ex was from deL soL i remember him teLLing me "some nalgero pecas" chased him a crow bar LoLz i thought that was funny xD

Anonymous said...

the bad ass gangs in sd are logan sherman lomas shelltown otnc otay vcv sidro del sol encanto lomita village market woptown posole and escoviejo diablos the rest are just wack homie these are the real gangsters fuck all haters

Anonymous said...

simon ese deepest gangs the real surenos that put it down for la eme

Anonymous said...

looney from acer boys put it down g style

Anonymous said...

East up puro vnc acre boys #1 looney n capone weres my reall mothafuckn gs ?

Anonymous said...

TO LONE WOLF ON SOME U DO KNOW WAT UR TALKING ABOUT BUT ON SOME U DON'T! LIKE THE INSANE BOYS WERE NOT MADE IN NATIONAL CITY AREA IT WAS STARTED IN A SPACIFIC SPOT IN NATIONAL CITY..BY FEDO ITS WAS CALLED THE INSANE BOYS ALLEY THE REASON I KNOW IS CUZ MY BROTHER WAS THE ORIGINAL VATO THAT MADE THE INSANE BOYS IT WAS FLACO,DEMON ,RASCAL,BOXER,TRIKIS,THOSE WERE THE 1ST CATS TO MAKE IBS...AND U FOR NATIONAL CITY SOUTH SIDE MOB THEY WERE THE ONLY GANG IN NC THAT HAD ALOT OF GUNS!!!! ON THE LOGAN HISTORY LET ME SCHOOL U GUYS!!!
1N THE EARLY 1910'S TO 1920' LOGAN CHERRY GANG WAS INVENTED BY MY UNCLE. MY UNCLE WAS THE 1ST KNOWN LOGAN CHERRY GANG MEMBER BRINGING IN HIS LIL CUZIN & HIS FRIENDS THEY WERE CALLED CHERRY GANG CUZ THEY WERE ALWAYS GETTING DRUNK ON CHEERY FLAVORED LIQOUR. MY UNCLE WAS NAMED CHALECO FROM CHERRY GANG!!!!!HE DIED 15 YEARS AGO AT THE AGE OF 97

Anonymous said...

Yeah dat! my dawg pekas and his primo dreamer2 George Bailey 09 shot keeping it sucka free 1 5 2 muthafuckin 0

Anonymous said...

Homeboy talking about INSANE ALLEY knows whats up. The first generation of INSANOS from IBS named themselves after the alley that ran north/south west of E Street. The alley used to be called INSANE ALLEY because of all the drama that OTNC would cause there. The first generation called themselves INSANE BOYS after INSANE ALLEY.

Anonymous said...

OTWSNC GANG SURBAY FINEST!!!!! WS

Unknown said...

You keep writing that everywhere. Get off everyone's nuts already.

Anonymous said...

and other clicks in the nc were rasta boys 80's, cyclone boys 80's, locker boys early 80's, highland locos not sure the year, south side mob,24st apts,Lil balas/ bullet click 2000,prospect st,pistols older click,lil antigos 90's early 2000's, mid town klicka 2013, ws nc late 90's and early 2000's,lil enano boys aka L Ebs late 90's never allowed to grow. chicano brothers (club/click) late 70's early 80's. 13LS late 90's, otnc clicka (temecula click) still nesting, Nacional Ave ( chula vista click that never popped off)2000's, some these were not well know, the newer ones i know personally but most never got to see more than a few hit ups here and there and a bunch of hood politics came up so we wont speak on that part. i grew up in nc and my fam is deep in the set all the way to the roots of the barrio. i dont bang but i been in the mix of bullshit cuase my familia and just hearing the homies talk.

Anonymous said...

otsd 13 locos gang....fuck the rest

Anonymous said...

OLD TOWN SAN DIEGO X3 OTSD13 LOCOS GANG.......WEST SIDE SD

Anonymous said...

THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER IT...I'M SANTO NATIONAL CITY ENANOS...BACK IN 1979 I WAS WRITING SANTO HBS ALL OVER...THEN THE HBS GRABED ME AND SAID I CAN'T WRITE HBS...THAT'SWHEN THEY NAMED US ENANOS BECAUSE WE WERE ONLY 12-13-14 YEAR OLDS...AND THE REST IS HISTORY...GOOD TO SEE MY CITY IS STILL ON TOP...SO LAST I WANT TO SAY TO ALL THE RAPERS FROM THE NASTY CITY..THE CITY OF RED DEVILS.. DON'T FORGET ABOUT US...SO PROPS TO THE GANGS OF THE EARLY 80'S ENANO BOYS THE HBS ..LOS GATOS...ARCE BOYS...BLOCK BOYS...ALLEY BOYS...CORNER BOYS...MIXED CREED...AND THE HOME GIRLS OF NC...ENANO GIRLS AND THE TINY LOCAS...

Anonymous said...

SOME INTERESTING INFORMATION.

HOMIE FROM ENANOS WERE YOU GUYS JUST CLAIMING NC OR WERE YOU GUYS FROM OTNC?? i KNOW HOMIES NOW WHO ARE FROM OTNC EBS. I KNOW HOMIES FROM YOUR 2ND GENERATION HAVE OTNC ON THEIR STOMACH. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE 1ST GENERATION WERE MORE NC? ALL THE ENANOS WHO GOT CAUGHT UP ROBBING STORES IN THE EARLY 80'S AND THE ONES WHO GOT CONVICTED FOR THE STABBING @ LAS PALMAS. WERE THEY FROM OTNC OR JUST ENANOS?

HOMIE FROM HBOYS. YOU VATOS WERE ONLY NC RIGHT, BUT I'VE SEEN A HOMIE WHO WAS FROM HBS BUT CLAIMED OTNC AND HBS AS A CLICK. AND I ALWAYS HEARD YOU WERE THE ONES WHO STARTED THE TERM BOYS... IF YOU VATOS STARTED IN 1978, THEN WHO FOLLOWED NEXT ENANOS, ACRES, BLOCK BOYS, INSANE BOYS?

I WAS ALWAYS TAUGHT MY CLICK INSANE BOYS STARTED IN 1979/1980, BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM CORRECT IF YOU VATOS STARTED IN 1978.

ALSO, WHEN THEN GAMMA START? AND WHEN DID OTNC START BEEFING WITH THEM? IT SEEMS LIKE IT STARTED IN THE MID 80'S??

THANK YOU FOR THE INFO.

Anonymous said...

Rasta. Cyclone. Locker boys in the 80's..never heard of them..not in the 80's ...

Anonymous said...

The ENANOS WERE FROM NC...WE STARTED MAKING A NAME FOR OURSLEF..YOU KNOW AT FRIST WE WERE MINI CUSTOM BIKE CLUB AFTER CUSTOM CAR CLUB FROM NC...WE WERE ONLY12 13. YEARS OLD WE HUNG OUT ON 18 TH AND HIGHLAND...BACK WHEN EVERYBODY CRUISED HIGHLAND...WE KEPT HAVING TO TROW DOWN EVERY WEEKEND...THAT'S WHEN WE SAID FUCK IT...WE STARTED GETTN HARD...STARTED THE ENANOS...BUT WE WERE BEST FRIENDS AT FRIST...OLD TOWN HAD THE GATOS...AND SOME OF THE YOUNGER OTNC HOMIES HUNG OUT WITH US..THEN 1 GOT IN THEN WE HAD AGANG OF OTNC VATOS..NOW ABOUT THE INSANE BOY...SAME THING HAPPENED THERE THE YOUNGER HOMIES WANTED TO RIDE WITH THE BIGGER HOMIES..AND WE KEPT PUSHING THEM BACK...WHAT MAKES THE INSANE BOYS SO BAD ASS IS THAT THEY STARTED WITH ALL THE LITTLE BROTHERS OF ENANOS AND GATOS...AND THEY OVER WITH THE OLDEN BOYS..ALL GOOD HOMIES OF OURS..WE GOT ALONG GOOD WITH THE INSANIES AND THE OLDEN BOYS...THEY GOT BIG IN ABOUT 83....IN ABOUT 88 EVERY ENANO BOY WAS DOING ATLEAST 3 YEARS..

Anonymous said...

RASTA BOYS WERE IN NC...BUT WERNT A GANG AND THEY ONLY LASTEST A FEW MONTHS...ACRES AND THE BLOCK WERE UP AND RUNNING BEFORE THE ENANOS...

Anonymous said...

ALRIGHT SINCE THIS IS A HISTORY WEB SITE I'M GONNA GIVE MY VEIW ON IT...THE TALK ABOUT WHO'S THE OLDEST VARRIO I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THAT..BUT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT MY OLD VARRIO...THIS HISTORY IS ABOUT THE EARLY 80'S...I'M TALKING ABOUT OT/NC THAT'S OLD TOWN AND NATIONAL CITY...IT'S 2TOWNS AS 1...EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHO'S THE FRIST INJUCTION ...I DON'T KNOW..BUT HAS THE MOST HOMIES ON THEM..THAT'S OT/NC...HOW ABOUT WHEN OT/NC HAD SO MANY GANGS AND HOMIES THAT THE NCPD CALLED FOR HEIP...AND HIRED 11 OFFICERS THAT BEEN KICKED OFF POLICE FORCES FOR THERE VIOLENCE...YOU CAN'T TALK SAN DIEGO HISTORY WITH OUT TALKING 4TH OF JULY AT KIMBALL PARK...WHEN EVERY VARRIO REPESTENTED...PEACE TIME BECAUSE OF THE KIDS...BUT AFTER HIGHLAND AVE...EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT SENT 3COP CARS TO HELP...MAN THAT WAS SOME GOOD TIMES...LAST CHECK THE SAN DIEGO TRIBUNE ARCHIVES..NCPD CHIEF OF POLICE SAYS ENANO BOYS NO LONGER A NATIONAL CITY PROBLEM..ITS A SAN DIEGO COUNTY PROBLEM...ANOTHER ARTICLE SAID ENANOS AKA MIDGETS STARTED OUT BEING A BUNCH OF WANNA BE GANG BANGERS TURN OUT TO BE HARDCORE GANGSTERS...IT SAID THE NCPD HAS 12 PHOTO ALBUMS OF OT/NC GANGBANGERS AND AND 4OF THEM DEVOTED TO THE ENANOS...LAST THE FRIST EVER SAN DIEGO CRIME STOPPERS AD ON TV...WAS AN ENANO BOY...SO NO DISRESPECT TO NO ONE..JUST MY STORY OF MY CITY AND GANG...NATIONAL CITY ENANOS

Anonymous said...

HERE'S A LITTLE SOMETHING..THIS IS SANTO NAT'L CITY ENANOS...I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE 3 DIFFERENT LEVELS OF VARRIO THE WAY THEY WERE IN THE 80'S...THE TOP TIER WAS NATIONAL CITY /OTNC..SHELL TOWN...CHULA VISTA..AND LOGAN...WHEN THOSE 4 VARRIOS WERE IN THE SAME PLACE EVERY OTHER VARRIO STOOD BACK AND WATCHED..IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT GOT SET OFF...BEFORE I NAME THE 2ND TIER...THE HOT SPOTS IN THE 80'S..4TH OF JULY NATIONAL CITY...HIGHLAND AVE...CHICANO PARK...GOLDEN HILLS PARK...SEAPORT VILLAGE....OSCAR'S PRESENTS ATHOTEL CORTEZ...MAXIES...THE BAHIA...THE HILTON BY SEA WORLD...EVERYBODY WENT TO THOSE SPOTS EVERY WEEKEND...2ND TIER...SHERMAN...OTAY...MARKETST...IIMPERIAL...ENCANTO....3RD TIER..SIDRO DEL SOL...PALM CITY...NESTOR...SPRING VALLEY...LEMON GROVE...PARADISE HILLS...NOW IT'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT NOW...AND ALL THOSE VARRIOS BANGED USUALLY WITH THE CITY NEXT TO THEM...WE USE TO SIT BACK AND WATCH THEM BANG WITH EACH OTHER..I SEEN EVERY VARRIO MENTIONED HOLD THERE OWN...WERE I'M AT NOW IN LIFE I'M JUST GLAD I MADE IT..AND SAN DIEGO WILL ALWAYS BE HOME...QE VIVA SAN DIEGO...

Anonymous said...

THANKS FOR THE INFO OG. '83 SEEMS ABOUT CORRECT. I READ THE OLD ARTICLES ABOUT THE ENANOS BUT THEY LISTED THEM AS NC ENANOS AND NOT OTNC ENANOS. SOME OLDER HOMIES FROM EBS ONLY HAD NC TATTOOS.

ALL OF THAT MAKES SENSE.

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THE HOMIES STARTED BEEFING HARD WITH SHELLTOWN. I ALWAYS HEARD RUMORS WE ALWAYS BEEFED, BUT I RAN INTO OLDER HOMIES WHO TOLD ME THE BEEF IS FROM THE 80'S AND NOT THAT OLD. THAT SUPRISED ME. I KNOW WE ALWAYS BEEFED WITH LOGAN, LATER VCV, PH I DON'T KNOW WHEN.

THANKS SANTO FOR THE CLECHA.

Anonymous said...

IN 79 WHEN THE ENANOS STARTED NC WAS TROWING DOWN WITH CHULA VISTA THEY HAD A GRIP OF DUDES BACK THEN..OLDER DUDES THE AGE OF THE HBS DUDES...38 IN SHELL TOWN HAD OLDER DUDES TOO..BUT IN 79 THE ENANOS BEAT DOWN 2 SHELLTOWN DUDES AT KIMBALL PARK...THE NEXT DAY A GRIP OF 38 DUDES CAME TO NATIONAL JR HIGH..THESE DUDES WERE IN THERE 20'S WE WERE 14..WE STILL THEW DOWN..THAT STARTED A DECADE OF BANGING...THEN GAMMA CAME UP AND WE WENT AT IT...

Anonymous said...

See homie. I always heard different stories. Yours make the most sense because correct me if im wrong but in your dia there was no GBS it was Only ST 38th Street and I also heard of a 36th street, but not sure.

Since HBS started the "BOYS" click then you guys were next? and all the rest follow including GAMMA?

I always heard at first Gamma operated on there own and soon later became part of Shelltown (NOT SURE). My click Insane Boys beefed with mostly Gamma not 38. I heard old stories of homies getting a long with Gamma at one point. I was told because we both were enemies with Logan. Then a misunderstanding occured at a party (IBS & GBS were cool) and a Gamma was killed during a card game. (not sure). Then it was on from there. Where they killed a IBS in '88 or '89 and even some innocent bystanders were killed during the beef.

So, your boys were already beefing with 38 before IBS/GBS were around.

With Highland being in the hood I'm sure in your time we faught with a lot of gangs. Since I 've been banging '90, I have seen the homies fight with almost every single hood. Some stick as enemies and others are forgotten.

Thanks again OG.

Anonymous said...

YA GAMMA TURNED OUT TO BE OUR BIGEST RIVAL...38 BABYED THOSE GUYS AT FIRST...SO YOUR IBS ...MY LITTLE BROTHER IS A INSANIE...I REMEMBER WHEN YOU GUYS STARTED IN THE ALLEY WERE THE UNDERGROUND APARTMENTS BY KIMBALL PARK..THAT WAS CRAZY...YOU GUYS OWN THAT BLOCK...I BEEN READING THE BLOGS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT GANGS THAT GO BACK GENERRATIONS....AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THE ENANOS WERE LIKE 28 DUDES.. WE LOOKED LIKE MORE BECAUSE OF THE RESPECT EVERYONE GAVE US..SO WE USE TO HANG OUT WITH DIFFERENT GANGS MADE US LOOK BIGGER...WE EVEN HAD 2 HBS GUYS GO ENANOS A COUPLE OF BLOCK BOYS WENT ENANOS..EVEN THE BASTEST ACRE BOY HUNG OUT WITH US BEFORE HE GOT HIS 20 YEAR BID.....WHEN WE GOT RAUL V ARGAS..IT WAS LIKE GETTING PEYTON MANNING..WE WERE BAD ASS HOMIES WE WERE FAMILY ..I MISS THOSE DUDES EVERYDAY...THOSE WERE FRINDS ALL OF N.C WE WERE BROTHERS...

Anonymous said...

ALRIGHT SO I WROTE A COUPLE OF LINES OF THE PAST...AND THE TRUTH IS IT FELT GOOD...THEY WERE SOME GOOD TIMES...BUT NOW I WANT TO TALK TO THE LIL HOMIES GROWING UP RIGHT NOW 2013...I WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR YOU...I EANT TO MENTOR YOU IN SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW THEN BUT I KNOW NOW...MENTOR THERE'S A WORD YOU DON'T HEAR IN THE VARRIO MUCH...BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT...I WANT YOU TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU GET OLDER SAY YOUR 16 RIGHT NOW THINK ABOUT WHEN YOUR 20...IF YOUR 20 THINK ABOUT WHEN YOUR 26 AND SO ON...ONE OF 2 THOUGHTS IS GONNA COME UP...FIRST FUCK THAT IT'S ALL ABOUT NOW...I'M BANGING AND PARTYING...THOSE GUYS DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THERE FURTURE BECAUSE ALL THERE MENTORS BANG...SO THERE PROBLYNOT GOING TO HAVE ONE....THE 2ND THOUGH IS YA I WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT...BUTWITH NO MENTOR. WE DODON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE...SO WE CONTINUE TO PLAY THE GAME...BUT THIS IS WHAT I KNOW NOW...I PUT MYSLEF AND MY FAMILY IN A LOT OF PAIN..ESPECIALLY MY MOM...JAIL PRISON AND I ALMOST DIED EVERY WEEKEND PUTTN MYSLEF IN A BAD SPOT...ALL IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL CITY ENANOS...AND GUESS WHAT IF THERE WAS A SAN DIEGO GANGSTET HALL OF FAME I THINK I WOULD BE IN 3 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES...I DID MY PART...I BELIEVE THE ENANOSSHOULD GET A STREET NAMED AFTER US..WERE A PART OF NATIONAL CITY HISTORY...BUT GUESS WHAT THEY'RE NOT...WE GET NOTHING ALL THAT WORK FOR NOTHING ...FORGOTTEN...I MEAN NOTHING..ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DIED THAT WENT TO PRISON...NO PRIZE AT THE END...SO LIL HOMIES START DREAMING PUT AN END TO YOUR FAMILY BANGING...START WANTING BETTER...SO TODAY I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND A MENTOR... A MENTOR IS SOMEONE YOU ADMIRE SOMEONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE LIKE...I REMEMBER IN 1985 SITTING ON THE PORCH OF A HOMIES HOUSE AND SEEING A FAMILLY ACROSS THE STREET...A DAD MOM AND 2 KID ALWAYS TOGETHER THEY EVEN WENT TO CHURCH TOGETHER...I WOULD TELL THE HOMIES THSTS WHAT I WANT AND THEY WOULD ALL LAUGH...BUT IT WAS WHAT I WANTED...SO TODSY GO TO THAT GUY YOU ADMIRE AND ADK HIM...SIR YOU GOT A MINUTE AND SAY I INSPIRE TO BE LIKE YOU..AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOUCAN MENTOR ME AND THEACH ME TO BE A MAN LIKE YOU...YYOU'LL BE SURPRISED ON HOW MANY MEN WOULD BE TOUCHED BY YOU ASKING..AND HOW MANY MEN WOULD LOVE TO HELP...AND IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO HELP IT'S BECAUSE HE'S NOT THERE YET...SO ASK THE NEXT ONE...LAST I WANT TO SAY IS WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR 20'S DETETMIN HOW YOU LIVE IN YOUR 40'S SO YOU HAVE NO TIME TO WASTE...AND FIND A GOOD CHURCH BECAUSE WE ALL NEED FORGIVENESS...THERE'S A GOOD ONE IN N.C THE CORNERSTONE ...A GOOD PASTOR IS A GREAT MENTOR...I MADE IT ...IT'S GOOD TO BE A GOOD HUSBAND A GOOD DAD AND A GOOD SON...IT'S GOOD TO SEE MY MOM SMILE AGAIN....CHANGE IT UP PEOPLE LETS FIND SOMEONE TO MENTOR AND CHANGE THE VARRIO...I'M PRAYING FOR ALL OF YOU....SANTO NC. EBS...

Anonymous said...

That's real. Best thing I read on here OG Santo. If you ever want to chop it up with your young homie hit me up at 1520dherndez@gmail.com saludos

Anonymous said...

All this talk about OTNC and other clicks where did the CARNALES UNIDOS fit into the mix...

Anonymous said...

Wasn't that a car club

Khristian Apan said...

Yes u r Santos my perro si Te a querdas as Las Pendajas que isimos member Makin suhi girls sing ur song I'm sure u know wat it was si Te curds De mi

Anonymous said...

Salud to u all I know u member my mama's were it always went off if u member gamma St in the city

Anonymous said...

FUCK YOU ESE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOUR A BITCH THATS WHY YOU GOTTA TALK SHIT OF THE NET MAGAZINE IS THE BIG HOMIE YOU NEED THE CHEKEADA WUSSUP HOLMES WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU LEVA NACIONAL GANG!!! BIG BAD VARRIO NATIONAL CITY HOMEBOYS 13 GANG ACTIVE SINCE 70'S AND NOW...KEEP MY HOOD OUT YOUR MOUTH!!! Stay inside your house you dont wana come out and mess with the real Hogs of my City they call Nasty

Anonymous said...

WHAT'S UP...YA SWEETWATER WAS SOME GOOD TIMES...IT'S LOOKING GOOD NOW...ALL FIXED UP...GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU...

Anonymous said...

E-BE-ESE -TRESE HALL OF FAME.........LUCKY PIRATA SPOOKY SANTO CHEEKS RAUL NICK CHACHO WEASEL ISREAL DINO CHINO EDDIE RUDY CRAZY JOE RAMON CHITO PERICO NEGRO MIKE LEO LUIS TORO OSO TATTOO DIEGO MANUEL CROW MUGSY RAUL ROCKY MOUSIE WHEELCHAIR ALEX....CHOWWWWW

Anonymous said...

MEMORIAL DAY 2014...LUCKY PIRATA SPOOKY..NATIONAL CITY ENANOS...NEVER FORGOTTEN...

Anonymous said...

TO THE FOOL KISSING ASS AT MISMO....MISMO AIN'T NO TRUE INSANE BOY.....MISMO NEVER GOT JUMPED IN.....THAT'S NOT A TRUE INSANE BOY

Anonymous said...

HERE'S A LIL HISTORY. In 1977-79 the real insane boys gang was born.....all jumped in !! BOXER,FLACO,BIG TRIPS,DWENDE,.THESE WERE THE 1st ones who created it,their was 1 more or 2 but I can't remember their names. They all in elementary. Some live in an alley behind FEDCO. they called it INSANE BOYS ALLEY ...NOT INSANE ALLEY..INSANE ALLEY WAS NAMED IN THE LATE 80s early 90s. .

Out of the 5 or 6 that invented it ........their are 3 left of the original insane boys.

Anonymous said...

HERE'S A LIL HISTORY. In 1977-79 the real insane boys gang was born.....all jumped in !! BOXER,FLACO,BIG TRIPS,DWENDE,.THESE WERE THE 1st ones who created it,their was 1 more or 2 but I can't remember their names. They all in elementary. Some live in an alley behind FEDCO. they called it INSANE BOYS ALLEY ...NOT INSANE ALLEY..INSANE ALLEY WAS NAMED IN THE LATE 80s early 90s. .

Out of the 5 or 6 that invented it ........their are 3 left of the original insane boys.

Anonymous said...

R.I.P POPEYE ....FOR SOME OF U YOUNG PUPPS DONT KNOW .CESAR IBANEZ AKA CHICO FROM IBS WAS A BITCH ...HE RAN WHEN POPEYE WAS GETTING STABBED IN 88I.. THERE WAS 1MORE BITCH MANUEL SANDOVAL ALSO FROM OTNC....THEY LEFT POPEYE TO FIGHT 5FOOLS.
MY BROTHER REMEMBERD THEM BEING TOGETHER THAT NITE CUZ MY BROTHER SAW THEM MINUTES BEFORE IT HAPPEND. THEN HE DROVE BACK ON THE WAY ON SAW YELLOW TAPE AROUND THE GAS STATION . THEIRS AN ARTICAL CALLED ......PEOPLE VS GODINEZ...1992. FUCK CESAR ( CHICO ) IBANEZ...FOOL COOPERATED WITH POLICE

FUCK NCPD. OTNC IBS GANG... FUK CACA

Anonymous said...

Mismo ? Is it the same Mismo that usxe to try to claim it otnc mtk ? Fuck mtk me and all the homies sxtarted fucking up every foo we sxeen that was bagging mtk and we gave them all a choise drop that mtk shit or keep the hood out their mouths some mtk foos kept getting fucked up until they sxtopped coming around, and some of them sxtopped bagging mtk n jusxt kept it Old Town , and the resxt sxtarted backing up the Insane Boys and mismo is one of thoes foos

Anonymous said...

Aye my boy where or how do u find this article is it online essxe

Anonymous said...

V.OTWSNCX3 INSANEBOYS
BOXER BIG TORO LIL TORO BIG PINGUINO LIL PINGUIN PETTY ANGEL BOY KAVESON FELON SXTRIKER THROWDOWN MISXTIC LIL NOE CHUCKY TRECE WISEGUY TRIPS LIL TREN DROGAS SLOTER LAUGHTER BIG BROWN LIL BROWN SOLDIER LIL CHARGER SLUGGER RATON LIL RATON DAMAGE DEMON NEGRO AND ALL THE RESXT FUCK ALL OUR ENEMIES !

Anonymous said...

WESXT UP FELLOW IBOYS

Anonymous said...

sloter laughter damage soldier

Sloter and laughter are not IBOYS, i dont know what damage you talking about but damage is OBS R.I.P and the other damage is ESNC Acreboys and hes busted.. and there are a couple soldiers from the hood, the youngest one Adrian is a snitch no good

Anonymous said...

drop a name ESE you cant just be adding fools names to the IBOYS this shit aint no walk in the park

Anonymous said...

Adrian Vargas ? Soldier is a snitch hell na sxerio who he tell on wtf?

Anonymous said...

WS up homes WS ur gang name I was surprised to c my name dropped in dat IBS roll call .: sXtriker loko :. OTNC I'm from the hood I back up the Iboys to the fullesxt but haven't got my chance to walk the line YET, & Some of the names lisxted in da roll call are some factors from the Insane boys Felons my closxe home boy/ hood father , n big toro, drogas, big brown are my boys too I know for a fact they are IBS officials

Anonymous said...

Thatsz right thatsz my bby rightht there love my mismo fuk the sytem and fuxk t h e rest... rep it proud OTNC..

Anonymous said...

There is no I BOY Line. Hasn't been since 2001. If you want to bang the I bang it. Don't let these doped out homies tell you can't bang the I.

Next one to tell you that. Sock there old ass up. Plus, these other names mentioned never walked the line. There hasn't been an official line since 2001. Anyone banging I boys after never walked it. So, you can bang the I if you want.

There's a solid homie out there with a rep like no other Insano. Get his blessing and your good to go.

Get a job, learn a trade, or go to school. Be proud of where you came from.

Anonymous said...

Palabra. I read the paperwork. Chico is on the needle, I wish that paperwork was out when he was trying to be political.

RIP Popeye IBS

Anonymous said...

VARIO OLD TOWN WESXT SID3 NASXTY CITY LIL ANTIGUOS OLDEN BOYZ GANG TOPO LOWXKZ ATS OBS GANG

Anonymous said...

The older homie told me that same thing, Adrian is a snitch.. Snitched on the jale he did time for in the feds, thats why he got off easy while everyone else got 5+ years. He did federal time so not everyone knows yet

Anonymous said...

HERE IS WHAT I REMEMBER ABOUT THE HBS..THEY WERE LIKE THE VARRIO POLITICAL GANG...THEY HAD RULES AND SHIT..AND IF THEY FELT YOU WERNT FOLLOWING THEM THEY SHOW UP...YOU HARDLY SEEN THEM...EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE YOU GO SOMEWHERE AND THERE THEY WERE..AND IT WAS A GANG OF THEM...THEY WERE ALWAYS COOL WITH THE ENANOS...SHOOT I CAN REMEMBER THEM SAVING OUR LIFES A COUPLE TIMES..THEY JUST SHOW UP..SOMETIMES WE BE IN DEEP SHIT...I WAS LIKE FUCK WE AIN'T MAKING IT OUT OF HERE..AND THEN ..THEN I WOULD HERE WHAT'S UP SANTO..WERE THE FUCK YOU COME FROM..AND WE WOULD DO OUR THING ..BUT IT SEEM LIKE THEM FOOLS WERE ALWAYS WATCHING..SO FOR US THEY WERE COOL..BUT LIKE I SAID THEY WERE POLITICAL..SO THEY DID WHAT THEY DID..

Anonymous said...

HERE'S THE DEAL...WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE SITUATION..YOU CAN'T COMPARE ANY VARRIO TO OLD TOWN AND NATIONAL CITY...OR OTNC...NO VARRIO HAS THE NUMBERS TO COMPARE..IMAGINE IWE WERE ONE GANG..THINK OF THE ENANOS GATOS HBS INSANES OLDEN NIGHTOWLS ACRES BLOCK ALLEY..CORNER BOYS CLAIMING ONE GANG...THAT WOULD OF BEEN CRAZY...THINK ABOUT IT..THAT'S WHY OTNC IS THE BADEST VARRIO IN SAN DIEGO..CAN'T EVEN DEBATE IT...

Anonymous said...

Im 24 im from OTNC and I been through some shit. i have nothing against HBS, I was raised with the Oldenboys and the Insaneboys and heard about Homeboys but these little young guys claiming that shit dont come around to the hood and never had. These motherfuckers need to show theyre faces, sure they might have to earn the homies respect and get down but they need to earn that shyt. Thjese guys tatt themselves up with NC's but havent done shit, just dress like oldschool cholos and stay home bang on facebook thats it. Homies need to jump on this shit this shit is watered down like a motherucker. Much love to all my original city boys Whicho, Kukuy, Pekas, Trouble and the rest

Anonymous said...

Homie aint lying but now adays everything is watered down, this generation the real ones doing long time and some have family

Anonymous said...

WAT STOP KISSING ASS...HE AINT NO REAL OTNC IBS BOY ESE......HE S A WANNA B ESE....HE NEVER GOT DOWN FOR IBS....ASK THE REAL BIG HOMIES...AND IF THEY SAY HE DID ..NOBODY CARES ANYMORE IBS IS NOT WAT IT USE TO BE...NOW IBS AND OBS HAVE BEEF. WTF IS DAT WE NEVER HAD BEEF GROWING UP HOMIE. SO YEAH MISMO SINT SHIT...HE GOT A CHEKIADA FROM THE BIG HOMIES WHEN HE WAS BANGING. NC. MTK...HE DID TELL U GUYS THAT CUZ BITCH ASS ALMOST CRIED.

Anonymous said...

FUCK MISMO I THINK UR ANNETE...U DIRTY HOE...FUK U SND MISMA....DAT FOOL BE GETTING CHECKED BUT THEN HE TRIES TO ACT HARD

Anonymous said...

WASUP DOGGY THIS IS THE HOMIE BETO....MY CARNAL WAS TIGER FROM ENANOS...THAT FOOL WAS A BEAST GETTING DOWN ...U PROBLY KNO MY PRIMO RASCAL FROM ENANOS TOO. TAKE IT EASY LOK.

Anonymous said...

GO TO GOOGLE AND TYPE IN THE PEOPLE VS GODINEZ 1992..THERE U WILL SEE WAT CHICO TOLD THE COPS HE SAID HE SAW THEM BEATING UP POPEYE AND THAT SANDOVAL GOT OUT...THAT PART IS A LIE BCUZ WE KNOW A VATO FROM SHELLTOWN AND HE SAID THAT ALL OF THE 5 FOOLS SAID CHICO AND CHATO RAN AWAY ...AND WATS FUKED IS THAT THE DUDE THAT KILLED POPEYE GOT AWAY WITH IT ...THE OTHER ROBERT WAS PROSICUTED . THERE WAS 2 ROBERTS THE WRONG 1 DID THE TIME.

Anonymous said...

AYE HOMIE SUM NAMES MENTIONED HAVE WALKED HOMIE ....U DONT KNOW WAT UR TALKINGCABOUT ESE...U CANT JUST CLAIM IBS....THEN U AINT NO IBOY....TRUE FACT...WAT DOBTHEY CALL U CUZ U SEEM TO TALK ALOT OF MASA. LET ME KNO WAT THEY CALLL U...THEY CALL ME BETO ....AND ILL TALK TO MY CUZ LIL SAPO ABOUT WAT U SAID HOMIE ...THOSE VATOS USAID ARE ON DOPE THOSE R SOLID HOMIES. SO GET AT MY REPLY.

Anonymous said...

AYE HOMIE THE VATO BELOW your comment don't know jack Shityou can walk the line you just need to talk to a big homie you want to walk the line I'll talk to my cousin dogolder dogs you mentioned they are Official ibs.

Ridds said...

Ha. Busted!:-* This Big Riddler Olden Gang! Fuckin Annette.She is grimy but watch yo mouth young homie cuz that's still my cunada! Other then that MUCH LUV TO ALL MY REAL CITY SLICKERS BOTH SIDES! And don't forget my generation,90'
.s babies got all the beefs crackin outta control especially WS, ES remember the peace treaty? Shit got outta hand at thst house party all over WEST SIDE CONNECTION'S BOW DOWN!HA, HA. Luv the city boy!

RIDDS said...

This Big Ridds OBS I GREW UP ON 5th and G my pad was right behind the car wash so it was all shot up my uncle not from da hood got killed on the porch when caca blasted on da homies. Nc ways I grew up around all the sick ass active I Boys and watched them fuck each other up on that line. I aint seen noone really get embraced by the I since Leapord RIP at National alot of real I BOYS showed up that day.

Anonymous said...

can anyone tell me about my older brother cricket? i know he put in work but i want to hear it from the OGs

Anonymous said...

Cricket from OTNC OBS or Cricket from ESNC BBS? Oboy Cricket put in work but havent seen him in the hood in a mean couple of years but he is probably locked up and Cricket from the Block Boys I only know there is one from there but as far as put in work you wouldnt hear about it unless your from the block or something..

Anonymous said...

Yup. Ridds hit the nail on the head about the line.

These other people have no idea what there talking about. Anyone claiming the "I" after 2001 never walked the line the traditional way.

Be from the I or the O stop being scary.

Anonymous said...

GOOD TO HERE FROM YOU VATOS ..THOSE WERE PROBABLY 2ND GENERATION ENANOS... EITHER WAY THERE ENANOS.. MAN WE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET ALL THE GENERATIONS OF ENANOS TOGETHER SOME DAY...WOULDN'T THAT BE CRAZY..TELL YOUR FAMILA GRACIAS FOR HOLDING IT DOWN .SANTO ENANOS

Anonymous said...

THEY WERE PROBABLY 2ND GENERATION ENANOS.. BUT STILL ENANOS.. WERE GONNA HAVE TO GET ALL THE GENERATIONS TOGETHER SOME DAY..HOW CRAZY WOULD THAT BE..TELL YOUR FAMILA GRACIAS FOR HOLDING IT DOWN...SANTO ENANOS

Anonymous said...

The newest generations dont get down for a click because of controversy between the I and the O. In the recent years the O has done homies wrong, its about favoritism. If it comes down to if you from the O or not and who your family is. If you aint from the O and you dont have family in it then your fucked, they will side with their oboys even when it aint right. That is why homeboys that were brought in to the hood by the O have switched to the I. As for the Iboys, anybody solid can claim the I but it wont be easy.

Anonymous said...

BUT AYE HOMIES HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE PAPERWORK OF CHICO...AND CHATO....FUKIN PUNKASS BITCHES.......ITS CALLED PEOPLE V GODINESS (1992)

Anonymous said...

Fuck Adrian Vargas ..HES a snitch...who needs a stich....BITCH.?.

Anonymous said...

Big riddler... Glad your out big dog.. Stay up

Anonymous said...

fuck all you lame fucks you motheruckers have snitches in your ranks and dont do shit that fool toker from the olden boys is a snitch he snitched on brinko and he still kicking it in your "hood" like nada clean your motherfuken trash fuck snitches

Anonymous said...

Why don't you clean it up faggot. Need paperwork puto. Never heard that one. Tell Brinko post the paperwork then.. Fuck rumors.

Anonymous said...

Brinkos busted he's been busted

Anonymous said...

BIGBADOTEENECE13 WILLNEVERDIEJUSTMULTIPLY GTS IBS OBS EBS

Anonymous said...

LIL HAPPY2 IBS CRICKET IBS SCORPYO GTS DUENDE IBS LEOPARD IBS CASPER GTS PIRATE EBS LILBOY OBS PAJARO IBS GATO IBS LUCKY IBS CHILLING OBS POPEYE IBS CASPER GTS EKOLOKO GTS TRIGGER GTS LEOPARD IBS CHACHO EBS PAJARO IBS GATO IBS PLEITO OBS SHARKY IBS
REST IN PARADISE TO ALL MY FALLEN SOLDIERS
MUCH LOVE N RESPECT
BIGOTNC 4LIFE GTS IBS OBS EBS

Anonymous said...

Yup...thats him...mismo frm mtk

Anonymous said...

YEAH HOMIE....ADRIAN VARGAS IS A SNITCH....AND SO IS THAT BITCH KIKI FROM IBS...A LIL SHORT MOTHERFUKER WHO HAS A DETAIL SHOP...ITS CALLED EXCLUSIVE DETAILING...SNITCHED ON THE BIG HOMIE.

Anonymous said...

U FORGOT A COUPLE SOLID HOMIES THERE....BIG HAPPY ENANOS AND SPOOKY. ENANOS...THERES MORE BUT THESE WERE THE HOMIRS I KNEW CUZ OF MY CARNALES

Anonymous said...

U KNOW WHO IS SUPPOSELY A ..G.. NOW TREMOR....HE IS A PUNK ASS BITCH......THAT FOOL IS A PREACHER....HONEST TO GOD....HE WAS PREACHING AT THE CHURCH BY 16TH ...TREMOR IS NO. O.G. HE IS A WANNA BE GANGSTER NOW..punk ass bitch where were you when everybody was getting shot back then FAGGOT....NOW HE COMES OUT CUZ GANGS R OUT.

Anonymous said...

FUCK ACRES...BIG OLDEN BOYS TREMOR

Anonymous said...

TREMOR ...OTNC.....FUK LOGAN FUK SHELLTOWN

Anonymous said...

This is SANTO ENANOS who is your carnales..also pirata ENANOS..lucky ENANOS..and bird acres. ..

Anonymous said...

Aye santo...this is Beto ......doggy. U from ENANOS U DONT KNOW MY CARNAL EL TIGER....HE FROM NC ENANOS..AND FLACO IBS...he been IBS since 1977 ..HOW BOUT MY PRIMO RASCAL FROM ENANOS.

Anonymous said...

I SEE TREMOR THINKS HE HARD.....IM GONNA CATCH U HOMIE SLIPPING U PUTTING MY HOOD IN YO MOUTH...BIG LOGAN HEIGHT 30TA......ILL CATCH FAT MTHERFUKER..............WE GOT TO FUKIN CAP UR ASS I WANNA SEE HOW BIG U THINK U R.

Anonymous said...

vARRIO TRI cITY THUNDER HILLS GANG
HILLSIDE vILLAINS

Anonymous said...

Wasup wit that fool bitch MTO MARCOS ANTONIO NAVARO...he a bitch....he think he a homie now from OTNC...ha that fool a bitch ass fool.....str8 OUT ALL U FOOLS FROM NC ARE A BUNCH OF BITCHES CUZ NOBODY GOTS BALLS TO SAY ...MARCOS U AINT A REAL G HOMES. OR U NOT PART OF OTNC U JUST LIVED IN NC...FUKIN STUDIO GANGSTER.

Anonymous said...

Wasup santo..my carnal tiger enanos..& primo rascal enanos.

Anonymous said...

MTO AINT FROM OTNC OR THAT FAT LAME TREMOR! I CANT BELIEVE SOME OF THE HOMIES LET THEM CLAIM THE FAME

Anonymous said...

Arent you a little old to just barely try to get into a clika? you a lame serio my Oboys wont let you slide thru. Insane mothafuckin Boys gang

Richard Santo EBSNC said...

Alright beto..I hear you mad respect to you and tiger Rascal...and hell Ya I remember flaco..we need to figure out how we can get together next time I go home...thanks beto for keeping me up with info...dam dude..one of you said my homeboy chacho past away...that hurt..down dude...

Anonymous said...

That fool soldier is no good homies he thinks he's hard cause of his family but other than that he's a pc I got work on him ask him feds Victorville 1 yard and he went back on a violation claiming Logan but pc.

Anonymous said...

Acre boys. For Lincoln acres elementary. My family has been here in the Acres since 1929

Anonymous said...

I come from Old Town National City. Grew up there in the 80's. I don't see the 3rd street boys listed.... He-Man, Vago, Dicey & Pollo. There were a few others but I don't remember the names. They hung out in the projects that were part of National City past division around Gamma street. An isolated click surrounded by Shell Town on three sides but they still held their own. They Deserve to be remembered.

Anonymous said...

I remember 3rd Street "LOST BOYs" Thats why they called them lost boys. They were by eta street and the park villa apartments. Not really surrounded by ST on 3 sides . but they held down that hood from gamma boys who were on the west side of them and north of them. Story goes that they got the lost boys name because they were vagabonds. started by LAUREL and 3st and had homies by Toyon park neighborhood. Then some vatos relocated to park villa apartments. I heard the last of them clicked up with south side mob. The Park Villas became a Pueblero strong hold in the 90's. Dont know if its still that way now. That was always a tough neigborhood because gamma boys and otnc run up against each other on division st and highland.

Anonymous said...

who can name all the gay homies from Old Town National City I'll start sneaky from the "I" Espanto otnc (Y.A.) west up! NC fo life

Anonymous said...

Aye bitch PHuk yo dead shit stop swingin on their nuts. This REO Drive Paradise Hills Lokos Meadowbrook! We Smash raXts

Anonymous said...

That's one I do remember big time that I didn't see mentioned. Them MTK Boys. I remember MTK when it first started back like in 1992. But they were all just taggers with Family from the hood. Sike, Nuke, Shanks, Faze, Fingers... then they died out for a while. Until like the late 90's when I seen them all over the Hood again. Wons, Mismo, Figz. I would see them everywhere. That new MTK generation weren't just tagging anymore. I know because Figz lived down the street from me by Kimball park. I think Figz' Dads name was Cadena. But the MTK boys were always deep there. And everyone from the hood you hang out there too. I remember a few times of shoot outs around here of the MTK guys against other tag bangers and hoods. Them guys were always deep and we're always cool with me whenever I walked by. I haven't seen any of those guys around in a min ever since they moved out of this street. But I've seen some newer guys from MTK at the Walmart and stores around here. They have NC and MTK tattoed on them. So I know they are still around. So if anyone knows Figz, let me know cuz I've always had a crush on him! Lol!

Anonymous said...

You can own NxC with a sack of dope and a gun. I'm from Reo Drive PHLS and sold dope to all them. Their bitches were sucking my dick and they were basically doing the same thing "please can i have some dope please" then they would go slam it together.For real kick it on Highland look around. Ps up Hoes down

Anonymous said...

That was stupid..

Anonymous said...

The First 48 Television show should do its TV show in Pussy Hills aka Pepa, because they do the shootings and murders but then go snitch on each other. Hahahaha. All your killers are on SNY. XVXX

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