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SD VARRIOS DON'T THROW UP THE 13

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY AIN'T TRECE, ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THEY DON'T GO THROWING UP THE 13 NEXT TO THEIR PLACAS ON THE WALL ALL THE TIME LIKE THE SURENOS IN OTHER PARTS., OVER HERE IT IS WELL UNDERSTOOD AND KNOWN THAT EVERY VARRIO, EVERY VATO OUT THERE IS DOWN FOR THE 13. SO THERE' S NO NEED TO PLASTER THEIR WALLS AND ARMS WITH A BIG TRECE EACH AND EVERY TIME., CHALES., SAN DIEGO IS DOWN WITH THE SUR., NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, PERO COME ON, BE SERIO...

SD VARRIOS KEEP IT ORIGINAL WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR VARRIO INITIALS POSTED UP ON THE WALLS., SO IF YOU SEE SIDRO, OTAY, NESTOR, CHULA VISTA, OLD TOWN, SHELL TOWN, LOGAN, MARKET, PARADISE HILLS, ENCANTO, OR ANY OF ALL THE OTHER BIG TIME VARRIOS DOWN HERE, THEY ALL THROW UP THEIR ZONE AND THAT'S IT.. SY, DS, NST, VCV, OTNC, VST, LHTS, VML, PHR, VELs, AND THE 13 STAYS OUT OF IT BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY UNDERSTOOD TO BE A PART OF EACH AND EVERYONE OF THE VARRIOS.,

THERE'S NO NEED TO PLASTER IT ON EVERY TAG. SO QUE PASO IN L.A. AND IN OTHER PLACES WHERE EVERYONE FEELS THE NEED TO THROW UP AND ADD 13 TO THEIR INITIALS?

IT AIN'T LIKE ITS FROM THE OLD SCHOOL OF THINGS., AND IT AIN'T LIKE SOMEONE IS QUESTIONING THEIR AFFILIATION, RIGHT?

I MEAN, IF YOU SEE WF, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT IT IS WHITE FENCE; AN L.A. VARRIO DOWN WITH THE SOUTH SIDE FROM THE GET GO.

SO WHY DO THOSE PLAYERS OUT ON THE STREETS OF SO MANY TOWNS AND NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL THE NEED TO ADD A 13 NEXT TO THEIR VARRIO INITIALS?

CASE EXAMPLE ~> CERCO BLANCO, WF (WF13) ?? ..

SAN DIEGO VARRIOS DON'T FEEL THEY HAVE TO GO THERE YET., SO I'M WONDERING WHY DID SOME L.A. VARRIOS AND MANY OTHERS AROUND WENT THERE?

QUE PASO? WHAT'S THE MENTALITY?

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think it has to do with the demographics. San Diego is majority white, then Mexican, then asian/black/everything else.


But when it comes to gang banging, other minorities are seriously outnumbered by Mexican barrios. So the animosity isn't as big as it is in LA where many cities were at one point "black" and they had to be reminded by Chicanos that "hey, we are Sureños and you best recognize". So like you said, it is automatically assumed that the barrios out here are affiliated with the TRECE.

Plus, I can't think of any San Diego barrios that aren't affiliated with La Eme, whereas in LA you got some barrios that don't run SUR when locked up (Maravillas, some 18s, and a few others).

I have been told that the 13 originally stood for Marijuana (M being the 13th letter) so a lot of those LA barrios were stoners before they became Sureños.

Plus being from North County myself and now living in the IE and frequenting OC and SGV, the barrios of San Diego are more traditional than those of the surrounding counties.

Anonymous said...

This is a good topic.

The comment above is on point. The 13 is more as a defense mechanism in LA because of ongoing racial tension and greenlighters.
Also, there would be no 13 without LA. LA made the 13. I believe Florencia were the first to REP 13?

I'm from OTNC and in the last 20 years (since I joined in '91) I've always seen 13 behind my hood. But, SD gets everything later than IE, OC, and LA. There all interconnected. There's a huge gap between SD and OC and IE. My opinion is that SD hoods were on the late train on the 13 plus crime. Not too many were doing hard time. Only a chosen few, so they were connecting to the other counties. I would have to say when laws became more strict and 3 strikes and what not, then SD starting doing more state time and more homies from all hoods were connecting with the other counties.

But, SD are originators and have there own stilo. The numerical like 1904 and 1520 is a san diego thing.

But most hoods in current days do not leave out the 13 in SD at least from what I see.

Anonymous said...

With all your knowledge on the barrio history you should expand on some of the North County barrios of SD. Posole for instance has a deep history. I once heard that Center Street once was a part of Posole but split due to some pedo regarding drug turf. I don't know how true this is but to this day they are bitter rivals.

Anonymous said...

THE TRECE WAS BEING USED BY NON BARRIO GROUPS AND AS A SYMBOL.
FLORENCIA WAS A BARRIO WHO NOT INITIALLY USED THE 13 THEY WROTE IT LIKE THOSE OF THEIR TIME (~f~)
BY THE EARLY 60's THEY WERE ALREADY APPLYING THE TRECE.

Anonymous said...

PUES WACHA WE ALL KNOW THAT THE 13 SYMBOLIZED MARIGUANA AKA LOCOS BACK IN TIME. SO PUTTING 13 UNDER A NAME OF A PLAQUIASO OR UNDER A VARRIO TAG MEANT THAT HE WAS LOCO OR THAT THE VARRIO WAS LOCO. THAT SUR 13 PEDO DID NOT HIT THE STREETS LIKE CRAZY UNTIL THE LATER 80S. YEAH VARRIOS THREW UP THE 13 NEXT TO THEIR INITIAL SINCE BACK IN THE 60s. VARRIOS LIKE FLORENCIA AND SOTEL AND SOME OTHERS JUST SPELLED IT OUT LIKE ONTERIO VARRIO SUR BUT IT WAS NOT BECAUSE IT WAS NEEDED TO BE RECOGNIZED AS SOUTH SIDERS. THAT WHOLE 13 COSA TOOK OFF WHEN ALL THE MASS NUMBERS OF PAISA ARRIVALS OF THE MID AND LATER 80s CAME OF AGE IN THE 9Os AFTER THEY DID SOME TIME AND EVERYONE TOOK THE PINTA TO THE STREETS IN A LEVEL THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY IN MOST CASES. VARRIOS THAT ARE KNOWN AND RECOGNIZED FROM OLD TIMES OF DOWN FOR THE SUR NEVER EVER HAD TO ADD A 13 TO THEIR TAGS AT LEAST NOT UNTIL IT BECAME LIKE A FAD. WHY WOULD ANYONE QUESTION THE LEGITIMACY POR EJEMPLO OF CLANTON 14? EVERY MOTHERFUCKER OUT THERE IN THE CITY OF DEMONIOS KNOWS WHAT CE14 STANDS FOR SO WHY WOULD IT BE AN ISSUE? IT WAS ONLY THOSE NOT SCHOOLED IN THE OLD ESCUELAS THAT WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE IT AS SUCH ME ENTIENDES?

Anonymous said...

We throw it up to signify our affiliation with la eme. If a hood wants a 13 in LA They 1st gotta reach Southsider status which is LA county. Then & there, you sign the year book, throw your set, boundaries, adress, placa, known homeboys & so on. Thats to put your set out there. Surenos are then contacted upstate, during the time your putting in jale to get a tranfer upstate with the big bosses. Once you move up, you have to put jale with the big boss surenos. Once you earn your stripes(probably already doing life)& reach sureno status, your street shotcaller is contacted with the news that your hood has received a 13 & is now a made set for the EmE & Surenos. In ALL of LA county you have to go through the whole process in order to become a real gang. If you dont run with the EME, you either against them, or a bunch of wannabe greenlighters. Examples are Maravillas, & tagbanging crews. So in order to show your a made set, you have to throw up 13.

Anonymous said...

Plenty of SD varrios have emeros in their ranks. Particularly the gangs you listed. Everyone knows it including the non-Hispanic gangs. It's an unspoken understanding and nobody needs to be reminded of it.

Anonymous said...

Exactly. This is how it went down in SD too around the mid 80s. Every varrio had the "locos" attachment. It was the trendy thing to do. One of the articles on one of the SD varrios explains it pretty good. Shelltown or PH, I think.

Anonymous said...

I’d like to hear from someone 'que se dijo' in that ’92 junta and what that has to do with everyone out there these days throwing up a 13 with their initials.

quote > “so old ass varrios like BH, WF, VNE would hit up 13 at times”

Case point “at times” <~ that has always been the case, they all would throw it up “at times,” there's nothing new with that., but these days is not just “at times” ~> it’s like “a lot” of the times!

Maybe things have changed drastically since ’92 in the varrio world..

quote “We know what it really means to be a sureno out here”

Aside from Eme Politics, describe what is the diff between a sureno and lets say a maravilloso?
It is one thing for newer varrios left and right to incorporate the 13 in their initials once they “earn” their trece, but it's a whole nother thing for established varrios to get into that practice. Like 18Hgs said, his varrio ain’t never had the need to blast the 13 on their tags, because with or without it, they’re sureno 18 Streeters.

Venice 13
Sotel 13
East LA 13
Whittier 13
Inglewood 13
Cudahy 13
In all of those ^ ^ plus many others like v v
Pacas 13
Florencia 13
Azusa 13
Gardena 13
Etc.

With all those varrios you could say that the 13 was there in their initials from the get go
So I’m not talking about those varrios
I’m talking about all that raza that “adds” the 13 when it is not required nor necessary to be recognized as surenos

Case examples;
BH – BH13
WF – WF13
DT – DT13
CP – CP13

WHY? What’s the need to do that?

If they’re already on the old list of recognized sureno varrios from the jump, and if they’re not looking to be recognized as surenos ‘cause everybody already knows who and what they are; then why add a “13” since there is absolutely, positively no norteno varrios whatsoever in the southland?

Anonymous said...

and if the Maravilla gangs are the only ones that you might argued, that you're shooting the 13 at them, then why would so many varrios from way diff areas of the city have to shoot off against the Maravillas in a whole nother side of town?

Why would such varrios and gangs in all kinds of places like Watts, Compton, Long Beach, the West Side, South Side, and everywhere have the need to shoot off a 13 at the far away Maravilas?

You have CV70 hitting up 13 next to their tags, you have Tortilla Flats hitting up 13 next to their tags, you have East Side Longo hitting up 13 next to their tags, Culver City, Weigand, Barrio Pobre, you name it, they’re adding 13 to their tags on the regular.

Is it like a fad thing?

Or is something else?

It’s almost like an oxymoron if you ask me.

Like I started out saying, the varrios down in San Diego are all surenos, but none of them find the need to be adding 13 to their established initials. It is a given and it goes without saying that they are down for the Sur, so in my book, they have remained more original in that sense.

Even newer varrios like Ruff City, Mountain View 73, South East Lokos, Van Dyke and others, they hit up their initials y ya estuvo, no 13 needed.

I remember the days when adding a 13 to your varrio placasos was more of a decorative thing than anything else. Everybody did it, throw up a 13, X3, XIII, Trece, Trese, 3CE, and it was all good, but it was just that, a firme add on
used some of the time to make the placaso look nice, but it didn’t have nothing to do with having to shout it out to the world that hey, look over here, we are surenos

chales!


Like I said, personally I see it as a nueva onda by nueva raza that didn’t necessarily put any head into things, and they just simply go with the flow of things. Kinda like that crazy onda with the face tattoos. Fuck man, all those vatos are fucking themselves up for life with those pendejadas. I see so many young raza down here in Tj that have their caras inked like that, 13 this e que mas on their mascaras; and what are they doing now? They’re washing car windows, begging for coras y pesos, stealing every little shit they can, basically scraping the bottom of the barrel, with no future left for them – gente sin futuro- I ask, what did the 13 do for them? Did they really have time to grow up in the varrios and understand what it really is to be a sureno, or did they just go full blast and never comprehended how to live crazy but to also be cool and take it easy?

I remember these youngsters that I went to Guatemala and got them out of there when the civil war was nasty. Their jefita had come here and worked fucken hard to save up feria so that she could bring them here, with the hope of a better future for them. So I went down there, and to make a long story short, I was able to bring ‘em here on the second try. So what happened after? La chamaca (patoja) she got into the cantina and barras thing, and before you know it, she’s hooking. And the young morro, what does he do? He joins a clika, and gets into the nutty gang banging, didn’t even learn the ropes of how to be a camarada from the barrio, just straight banger for his hood, so he smokes two vatos and now he’s doing life. I look at that young vato, and I say what a pendejo. Here me and a ton of other grown here gente from the varrio have navigated the streets and handled our shit con cabeza, and this recent arrival to the city of angels with barely two or three years under his belt just went all out and never understood much of anything from the old establishment, he never had a chance. I got other stories similar to his from others that I’ve known as mocositos in Mexico, and they too, they come here and they get swept off their feet by la lokera and las gangas. I wonder how much they understand what it means to be a trece, I wonder how many of them understand the fact that there’s really no need to add a 13 to a varrio which has always been recognized as being nothing but straight south siders.

Anonymous said...

I think because in LA its all war with the crips bloods and chinoa, unlike SD where your only enemies are surenos, and when you do see the 13, its smaller hoods trynna act bigtime

Anonymous said...

I'm lame to all this.. But isn't it true that in order to throw up the trece you need to have the approval of the 'big homies' that the trece really represents? And if so, then naturally not a clikas have the backing of the big homies, so those who actually do are proud of having the back up of the big carnals so they're quick to show and trow it..?? I'm just guessing though..

Anonymous said...

Those gangs in SD listed above came before the concept of the "big homies". Hell, they ARE the big homies. The 13 is unspoken because there's no need for them to flaunt it. It's understood on every street and every facility. Only new kids trying to make a name for themselves use it. They can't wait to show it off....
so it's not like they can act like they've been there like the old varrios.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

hey, one thing, it dont really matter if tbe varrios put 13 behind or on the side next to their vario. yeav sure we all k ow they or we should be together or one big ass hood but like sd they might not see each other as part of 13 or maybe they do but its said they want to keep it old school ko ko no problem if you reallh tjink about it the 13 should let every one k ow who they are affiliated with whos with who but look at all the bullshit still goin on today some are still hood banging on other hood that have the same gang ties to 13 so dles it really matter no one is united all hatting on each other

Anonymous said...

Whaaaaaaaat Since the early 90's to today almost every Diego varrio been hitting up X3 next to thier initials.