SAN DIEGO VARRIOS
SY ~ SYR
SAN YSIDRO
A.k.a. “SIDRO”
Klikas . . .
Coachmen
Enanos
Villa Locos
Locotes
Tiny Locos
Lil Locos
Malos
Boys
Note: For some of SIDRO's history read up on the March 17, 2007 "Archives".
IMP ~ IMP13
IMPERIAL 13
A.k.a. Imperials
Klikas . . .
Dukes
Rascals
BWL ~ BWLS
BRANDYWINE LOCOS
O13 ~ OX3 ~ VLO
OTAY 13A.k.a. Varrio Loco Otay
Klikas . . .
Yatos
Del Sol Riders
River Bottom Locos
Montgomery Locos
Rasta Locos
DS ~ DSR ~ DS13
DEL SOLKlikas . . .
Vagos
Malos
Dead Ends
Riders Locos
Sun City Locos
RC ~ RCLS ~ SSR
RUFF CITYA.k.a. South Side Roughnecks
A.k.a. Rough Riders
CALS
Crazy Ass Locos
PALS
Palm Avenue Locos
PALS
Palm City Locos
FH ~ PC ~ PC’FH
PALM CITY FROM HELL
A.k.a. Familia Hispana
Klikas . . .
Locos
VLPR
LAS PALMAS
Varrio LAS PALMAS was an old varrio located in the South San Diego neighborhood of Palm City. The old varrio extended south of the Otay River marshland area, all the way to Coronado Avenue, centered around Palm Avenue and Harris Avenue. The neighborhood once reached as far west to 19 Street (present day Saturn Blvd). The old varrio was in time first broken up with the construction of Interstate 5, which was built right through the middle of the neighborhood and sliced it up into two halves. The western part of the varrio (west of I-5) was almost completely torn down and new development was raised up. Then when the San Diego Trolley line was built, another chunk of its neighborhood was destroyed. The Trolley line itself cut the varrio in half again. On the east side of the tracks new housing now stands. But on the west side of the tracks there still remains plenty of unpaved (dirt) streets even to this day. South of Palm Avenue the grounds there exhibit a mix of older homes and newer apartment buildings south along the back streets from Harris Avenue. Varrio Las Palmas survived all the way up to the very early 80s, but it has now given way to the younger generation of Raza that claims Palm City From Hell (Familia Hispana). In its final days, one could see nice firme big block Old Stilo Placasos on the walls as you rode past on the freeway or the trolley line. Further south along the 19 Street neighborhood, west of the I-5, La Raza gave birth to the Varrio NESTOR 19ST, in what was once inhabited by vatos that claimed South San Diego. From west of the I-5 and south of Palm Avenue, Varrio NSTR (Nestor Nineteenth STreet Rifa) governs the land.
NST ~ NSTR ~ NST19
NESTOR 19 STREET
VIA
Varrio Iris Avenue
DML
DAIRY MART LOCOS
SSD ~ DX3 ~ D13 ~ DBS
SOUTH SIDE DIABLOSA.k.a. Chamukos
VCV
VARRIO CHULA VISTA
Klikas . . .
Grande Locos
Tiny Locos
Tiny Gangsters
E STreet
G STreet
H STreet
K STreet
South Bay 13
WSLS
WEST SIDE LOCOS
YESCA 13
You have to go back in time to remember the vatos that claimed YESCA 13. Back in the mid to late 70s these vatos where claiming ESxNC. They had their spot just north of the ACRE BOYS and west of PARADISE HILLS, over by Lanoitan Avenue. I don't think they're around anymore.
ES’NCLS
East Side NATIONAL CITY LOCOS
OTNC
OLD TOWN NATIONAL CITY
Klikas . . .
Gatos
Night Owls
Anchor Boys
Olden Boys
Enano Boys
Latino Boys
Insane Boys ~> broke off.
IBS ~ WS’NC
INSANE BOYS
A.k.a. West Side National City
BBS ~ NC’BBS
BLOCK BOYS
(Alta Vista neighborhood)
ABS
ACRE BOYS
(Lincoln Acres)
ALLEY BOYS
(Norton Avenue Boys)
SSC
SOUTH SIDE CRIMINALS
NC MOB 13
NATIONAL CITY MOB 13
A.K.A. South Side Mob 13
MB13 ~ MBLS
MISSION BAY LOCOS
Klikas . . .
Grand Avenue Boys
Delrey Street Boys
132 Dead End
Hazard
The Magicians Club
CMR ~ CLMT WEST CLARAS
(Clairemont)
LV13 ~ LVR ~ VLV
VARRIO LINDA VISTA
Klikas . . .
Morley Street
Rascals
Peewees
Riders
Tiny Locos
WT ~ WxT
WOP TOWN
Klikas . . .
Krazies
Amici Park
OTSD
OLD TOWN SAN DIEGO
LM26 ~ GH13
LOMAS 26 STREETA.k.a. Golden Hill
Klikas
Locos (The Alley)
XVI STreet
XVIII Sreet
XXX STreet
Juniors (Chicos)
Dukes
Malditos
Note: For some of LOMAS history, read up on the March 2, 2006 "Archives".
SM ~ VSM ~ BSM
BARRIO SHERMANA.K.A. Sherman Heights
Klikas . . .
27 STREET
20 STREET
Grant Hill Park Locos
Note: For some of SHERMAN's history, read up on the March 10, 2006 "Archives".
SE13 ~ SESD
SOUTHEAST 13
A.k.a. South East San Diego
ESD ~ ESSD
EAST SIDE SAN DIEGOA.k.a. East Side Diego
Klikas . . .
Gatos
Rascals
Chicos
Dead End Locos
AEK
Avenue Euclid Klika
EBS ~ EBK
Evil Boys Klika
East Side 27 Street Locos
JRS ~ JRS13
JUNIORS
VC13
VARRIO CHOLLAS 13
VM ~ VMS ~ VML ~ VMP
VARRIO MARKET STREETKlikas . . .
Locos
Peewees
VEL ~ ENC13
VARRIO ENCANTO LocosA.k.a. Encanto Heights
LH ~ LHTS
LOGAN HEIGHTSKlikas . . .
Red Steps
A.k.a. Barrio Logan30’TA
33 STreet
35 STreet
13 Locos
LH CLIKA (East Side)
Old . . .
32 LUCKIES
Cherries
Chicanos
Osos
Lobos
Coyotes
Toros
Note: For some of the RED STEPS history, read up on the March 4, 2007 "Archives".
32ND STREET “TOKERS”
LVR ~ LV13 ~ LV70 ~ ESL
LOMITA VILLAGEA.k.a. Lomita Varrio 70
(East Side Lomita)
Klikas . . .
PH ~ PHR ~ PH13
PARADISE HILLS
LG13 ~ VLG
VARRIO LEMON GROVE
OPLS
OAK PARK LOCOS
AZN ~ CHTS
AZTEC NATION(City Heights)
Klikas . . .
Van Dyke Boys
VST ~ STR ~ ST38
SHELL TOWNKlikas . . .
Gamma Boys
38 STreet
DSL
DIVISION STREET LOCOS
SVL
SPRING VALLEY LOCOS
EL CAJON DUKES
EL CAJON LOCOS
PSL ~ PZL ~ VPL
VARRIO POSOLE
Varrio POSOLE, sometimes spelled Pozole, is a real old varrio that dates back to the 1920s. This varrio is well known and heard about through out Califas and in la torcida. Posole is said to be in their sixth or seventh generation of vatos representing their terreno. From old times the initials for the varrio were PSL and PZL, but in these later tiempos the initials VP, VPL and VPLS for Varrio Posole Locos are being used. The olden varrio is located right before you hit Camp Pendleton, immediately east of Interstate 5 and north of Mission Avenue; just south of the old San Luis Mission Road (present day 76 Expressway), centered around Balderama Park. Their borders today can be said to extend all the way south to Oceanside Blvd, and east all the way to Mesa Road. Posole claims East Side because they are in what back in them times was considered the east side of Oceanside.
TCS ~ CSG
TWENTY CENTER STREETA.k.a. Center Street Gang
SOUTH SIDE OCEANSIDE
VST ~ VSL
VARRIO SUREñO TOWN
A.k.a. Varrio Sureño Locos
EAST SIDE OCEANSIDE(Crown Heights)
PPLS
POCOS PERO LOCOS
LOS JOKERS
WOS
WICKED OCEANSIDE SUREñOS
TRI-CITY LOCOS
EG
EDEN GARDENSA.k.a. La Colonia
EF
ENCINITAS FLATS
ENC13
ENCINITAS 13South Side Locos
CBR ~ CBLS ~ CLS
CARLSBAD LOCOS
SSV
SOUTH SIDE VISTA
VH ~ VHB
VISTA HOMIESA.k.a. Vista Homeboys
SM ~ VSM
VARRIO SAN MARCOSKlikas . . .
Wolfpack
SL ~ SxL
Varrio SOUTH LOS
FBLS ~ VFLS
VARRIO FALLBROOK LOCOS
VM ~ VML
VARRIO MESA LOCOS
TH
THUNDER HILLS
EVD
ESCO VIEJO DIABLOS
ESCO SANTOS
VCG
VALLEY CENTRO GANG
WSG
WEST SIDE GANG
AVL
ALPINE VARRIO LOCOS
SANTEE ORIGINALS
VPL
VARRIO PEñASQUITOS LOCOS
Note: The San Diego Varrios and their Clikas
are listed in order to give recognition to them.
The list may not be 113% correct, therefore I
apologize for any mistakes made, for it is not
my intent to diss anybody or clown around. . .
Si salio mal esta madre, pues ponle unas letras
aqui ese.. Nobody knows it better than your own,
asi es que no cagues el palo and if you care to,
pues dejate caer con un aliviane ~ keep in mind~>
~> "Don't Be A Net'Banger" . . . This sitio ain't
made for that ese . . . So keep it level minded.
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1022 Newer› Newest»does sexsd beef it with st38 or gamma boys?
does sexsd have beef with sexkn?
SEXSD = general term for Southeast.
Do you mean SE Lokos? Or SEXSDLS? I think SELKS and SEXSDLS (are they they same thing?) beefs with 38 and Gamma. I think 38 and Gamma pretty much have the same enemies (LH, LM, OTNC, MKT, VELS, 73LS).
Don't know about SEXKN. Is that the same KN that was around in the early 90's? Kriminal Nation?
What are some diss names for hoods? Some real ones...not ones made up on the spot. I always hear Logan being called Leche. And Shelltown being called Caca.
Diss Names
National City...Nalgas
OTNC..Taco, Puto Viejo, Pollo Viejo
ESD...Queso
Juniors...Jolly Ranchers
Chula Vista...Chankla, Chupa Verga
Otay...Putay, Hotay
San Ysidro...Shit Yard, Shitro
Del Sol...Dog Shit
Nestor...Chestnuts
Imperial...Shrimps, Wimps
Oak Park...Old Pussy
Encanto...Espanto
Palm City...Pussy Cats
Market...Manteka
Logan Heights...Lil Hynas
Wop Town...Whoppers
Mission Bay...Monkey Balls
Diablos...Doritos
Brandywine Locos...Butt Wipes
Varrio Chollas...Varrio Chones
PH Locos...Pussy Hills, Pizza Hut
Block Boys...Brokebacks
Sherman20/27..Swapmeteros, Twinkies
Gamma Boys...Gummi Bears, Gay Boys
38...Dirty Ape, Shitty Eight
30...Dirty Street
ESDDA...Dirty Asses
ANLS...Anal, Nenas
CAL...Calsones
KN...Korn Nuts
WK...Weenie Kissers, Whack Kids
Red Steps...Deads Steps, Pinkies
SE...Sperm Eaters
SS...Shoe Shiners
WS...Weak Side, Weenie Suckers
Hey I was thinkin' maybe we can give respects to vatos from the Varrios that have fallen like Lonewolf has for the Los vatos. If anyone has some feedback I appreciate it. We can start off by paying tribute to Hannah aka Skippy from SE WK. Ey GRIPS, what happened to Grande and was he from SE WK? Any one else know of vatos or Reinas from Varrios that passed away let's list them. Orale.
SEWK: Skippy
ESSD Rascals: Pleito
ESSD Avenue: Hench, Chucky
Shelltown 38th: Munchy
y mas
RIP
SSDBSX3:Droopy
VCV:Troubles
VCV:Final
VLO:Pleito
VLO:Shrek
VLO:Lil Gizmo
ST38:Smokey Loco
St38:Lil Krooks
ST38:OG Bulldog
FCW:Paco
OTNC:Maldito
NCLS:Stomper
Sidro:Looney
ECDKS:Sleepy
PHLS:Lil Joker
LH30:Lucky
VMKT:OG Huero
AY...anyone know OG Midnight from VCV?
What happened to him...he was a down ass vato.
YOU FORGET ALOT OF EASTXSIDEXSD THAT PAST US. OG BIG MIKE'OG DIABLO'OGPAYASO'OG ANT AND OG TRAVIESA. I KNOW THERE IS ALOT MORE TOO
Rest In Peace Lil' Turry V. SHERMAN.
A shout out to Risky R.I.P. BIG SPRING VALLEY GANG.
Hey any of you vatos watch that program LOCK-UP on msnbc? They have a vato in Pelican Bay SHU who is an EME shot caller who has San Diego tattooed on his back. His name is Raul Leon. Does anyone know what Varrio he is from?
Raul "Sherm" Leon=Gamma Boys
others in the news recently:
Frank "Chino" Madriaga=OTNC
Jose "Bat (AKA Vulture)" Marquez=Del Sol 13
David "Popeye" Barron (RIP)=Logan 30th Street
Other gangs with direct Eme ties (have ex-members who are in La Eme now):
NC South Side Mob 13
Otay 13
Sherman C20
Logan Red Steps
Varrio Posole
This is all from the media and PD reports...
Street rumors of direct Eme ties (via media/PD reports:
Varrio Chula Vista
Varrio San Marcos
Fallbrook Locos
Sidro
East San Diego 13
Sherman 27
Varrio Market
Shelltown 38th Street
Funny side note:
South Side Mob used to be green lighted by Eme in the late 80's/early 90's, since they refused to pay taxes and ride in the Southsider car. Now SSM has an ex-member who is in Eme, and SSM goes by: National City Mob 13, South Side Mob 13, and National City South Side Mob 13.
For those of you interested in South Bay history...
There is some old ass Otay hitups on Tremont and Albany scratched on the concrete. They are from 1980, and they read Otay 13, O13, etc...
There is also s few old Otay hitups from the early 70's too, scratched in the concrete areas of Otay park.
There is supposed to be a "Otay Yatos '55" hitup somewhere by Main and Albany, but I couldn't find it.
And on funny side note..the old english Otay mural that is in Otay park had to be repainted.
The old english writing used to be the on the Mexican green/white/red colors. Now it just says Otay in black, on a white background.
Once a year the City of Chula Vista holds a "Beautify Chula Vista" day, when volunteers paint over grafitti, and pick up trash. Apparently some eses from Varrio Chula Vista disguised themselves as civilians, and got into the program. They took some paint that was for grafitti eradication, and they crossed out the mural and put big VCV hitups over it. They ended up getting arrested by CVPD because someone that ran the program saw them do it.
That's classic!!!
Thanks for the info on Raul Leon. The program on MSNBC stated he was one of the dudes who started his clicka, which in turn is Gamma Boys. He is a certified EME shotcaller. Interesting since this whole new SHELLTOWN CLEAN THE HOOD UP edict came out, we can now trace who may have sent the word to the mocking birds. Just my theory.
Rest in peace to Lucky (Logan Hts) Flaco (MissionBay)
I met Lucky once. He was a firme vato. He was shot in the morning as he sat in his truck by some vato in a hard hat. As for the vato from Mission Bay, was he the one who was shot by those two mayates last year?
I lived down in the RLS neighborhood for along time - PRIETO (SERGIO) / (PAYASO'S BROTHER, VALENTIN) was the one that did the VLO in old english (this may have been changed - someone new may have done it over)
ALBANY - that was the street I grew up on.
1480 albany avenue!
mama / papa reed.
YOGGSTER
IDMOBBSTERS / SOUTH SAN DIEGO
that Shelltown edict came from locked up 38 OGs..they caught wind of what was happening with the MV situation, and they sent out the word.
comment number 619 right here!!
Man there is some good clecha going on here lately. I am glad vatos are steppin' it up with the dialogue! You vatos from the South Bay have your info on lock. Gracias. I am a Loganero, so I have a question for you South Bay'ers. When was Varrio Nestor established, and how do they tie in to the older hoods like Otay and Chula? I never even heard of the ganga until I was locked up and met a dude name TRIPPY from there, but we never talked, just greetings. If anyone can fire some feedback I would appreciate it. Gracias. Oh by the way, last night on the Discovery channel they had a whole program on the EME in San Diego on a show called "Inside the FBI". I am sure you can look it up on discovery.com or some shit like that. It is interesting to see how this one hyna fucked up alot of families by flipping. Check it out.
the dude shot and killed by los mayates was some cool ass dude named Perdido from MB . MAy he rest in peace , my brothrr used to work with him.
any body know about that sherman shelltown colabriation?
Nestor...I think they came up in the late 70's. I am probably wrong though. I know that they used to just go by Nestor 13 (NST, NST13) in the 80's. Now there is a Nestor 19th Street (NST19ST/NST19). When did 19th Street come around? The homies that I knew in the 80's just cliamed Nestor 13 though. They don't get along with Otay or VCV, and they beef hard with Imperial. They also used to beef with Varrio Las Palmas in the 80's. In the late 80's/early 90's they used to beef hard with a LA gang that set up shop in SSD ...Clarence Street Locos. CSL is long dead now. I also remeber that there used to be a South Side 18th Street gang in SSD...no relation to LA's 18th street. they used to kick it by Coronado and Thermal, and 18th and Coronado. Maybe I am getting SSD18th Street confused with an early version of nestor 19th Street. maybe it was really SSD 19th Street, and that turned into Nestor 19th Street. I heard that SSDiablos and Nestor are tight with each other.
Nestor 19 and OTNC are the only gangs in SBSD with a gang injuction on them.
I worked with an OG from VCV..he is in his early 60's..he talked about the whole VCV thing and confirmed that in the late 50's they only went by "Chula Vista Gang". he said that they only wrote up "Chula Vista" or "CV". He said the younger (to him) generation in the 70's added the "Varrio" to make it VCV. He also said that Otay and Sidro do go way back to the 30's.(he wasn't sure of OTNC). He said that all of the Otay and Sidro cholos would cap on CV in the 50's by calling them a new gang. He said the gang was formed because a lot of Chicano kids that lived near the RR tracks in CV used to get jumped by Otay in the southern part of the city, and OTNC in the northern part of the city all of the time. So finally a bunch of them formed their own gang and they fought back. He says its funny now because one of his nephews is from OTNC, and his cousins kids are from Otay RLS.
Dude trip out, somewhere in the south bay at a 7-11 (I think it's Florida Street?) my homeboy Bandit from Woptown and I were hit up by two vatos who said they were from "CORONADO LOCOS". Could this be the same one we are talking about in regards to the SS 18 Street?
Another RICO case listing listing SD gangs with direct Eme ties:
Varrio Chula Vista
Old Town national City
National City Block Boys
National City Locos
Del Sol
Otay
Wop Town
Paradise Hills
Lomita 70's
Lomas 26 Street
Logan 30th Street
Logan Red Steps
Shelltown
Center Street Locos
SAN DIEGO STREET GANG MEMBERS WITH TIES TO THE MEXICAN MAFIA CHARGED WITH RACKETEERING CONSPIRACY, FIREARMS OFFENSES, AND DRUG-TRAFFICKING VIOLATIONS
NEWS RELEASE SUMMARY - February 13, 2009 San Diego, CA - A federal grand jury in San Diego has handed up fourteen (14) indictments and the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of California has filed two criminal complaints charging a total of 36 defendants with a federal racketeering conspiracy, firearmoffenses, and drug trafficking violations. The charges stemfroma year-long investigation entitled, “Operation Keys to the City,”conducted by the multi-agency San Diego Violent Crimes Task Force-Gang Group which targeted the criminal activities of the Mexican Mafia (or “La Eme,”), Hispanic street gangs with ties to the Mexican Mafia, and the Mexico-based Arellano-Felix drug trafficking organization, announced United States Attorney Karen P. Hewitt. The complaint (Case No. 09MJ0473) charges 13 individuals with participating in a Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization (RICO) conspiracy. As set forth in the complaint, the defendants engaged in multiple racketeering acts in furtherance of the Mexican Mafia criminal enterprise, including,
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among other things, attempted murder, kidnapping, assault, extortion, conspiracy to distribute controlled substances, and the distribution of controlled substances. The RICO conspiracy complaint also sets forth how the Mexican Mafia criminal organization exerted control over illegal activities within the California prison system and on the streets of Southern California through a well-organized hierarchical structure led by Mexican Mafia members. According to the complaint, members delegate authority to Mexican Mafia associates to control specific areas both inside prisons and on the streets. This delegation of authority is referred to as giving “the keys” to the individual. In the prisons, Mexican Mafia members and associates control criminalactivities on specific prison yards or an entire prison through acts of violence and threats. Likewise, the Mexican Mafia seeks to control criminal activity in San Diego neighborhoods and in communities throughout California through similar means. For example, according to the complaint, on one such occasion, a Mexican Mafia member and his associates became involved in the collection of an outstanding drug debt for two Mexican nationals. The two Mexican nationals specifically sought the assistance of the Mexican Mafia. The group invaded the victim’s home armed with handguns and threatened to shoot the victim if payment was not forthcoming. The group then took four vehicles, approximately $2,000 in cash, and other personal items from the victim and victim’s family. Finally, the group told the victim that if law enforcement were notified, the group would kill the victim and the victim’s family. As alleged in the complaint, such transnational criminal activity was only part of an overall effort by Mexican Mafia members and associates to forge greater ties to Mexican organized crime groups, like the Arellano-Felix organization. The Mexican Mafia and the Arellano-Felix organization work together in international drug-trafficking operations as well as the commission of acts of violence, such as kidnapping and attempted murder, both in San Diego and Mexico. The 14 indictments charge an additional 19 defendants with various drug-trafficking and firearms offenses. The drug-trafficking violations include conspiracies to distribute methamphetamine and heroin, the distribution of methamphetamine and heroin, and the possession of methamphetamine with the intent to 2
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distribute. The gun-related charges include firearms trafficking, providing a firearm to a known felon, the possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number, and felon in possession of a firearm. In addition to membership and affiliations within the Mexican Mafia, the defendants charged in these indictments were involved with the following Hispanic street gangs in San Diego County:
National City Block Boys (“NCBB”) Center Street Locos (San Diego) Varrio Chula Vista (“VCV”)
Del Sol (San Diego)
Logan Red Steps (San Diego)
Old Town National City (“OTNC”) National City Locos
Shelltown (San Diego)
Lomitas (San Diego)
Wop Town (San Diego)
Lomas (San Diego)
Otay
Paradise Hills (San Diego)
Logan Calle Triente (San Diego)
Dang that indictment came out last month. San Diego is bringing it hard with La Eme.
Coronado locos? I know vatos from clarence street claim Coronado avenue!
Isn't Clarence Sreet Locos dead in the South Bay? I thought Nestor and imperial shut them down. They used to hold territory in Egger Highlands and Nestor off Coronado Ave. I heard they have a click in El Cajon.
I don't think any LA gangs but SS Diablos is still around the South Bay. I always thought that SSDBS and CSL were the only LA gangs that set up in the South Bay. i might be wrong.
Yup. Thats the one. Coronado Ave. Locos. They hit us up last July. I remember clear as day.
I have a homie from clarence at who has Coronado ave he's fighting a murder cAse that occured at wild wooleys.
Did u giggle when they hit u up?
I have a homie from clarence at who has Coronado ave he's fighting a murder cAse that occured at wild wooleys.
Did u giggle when they hit u up?
oh shit, I kick it at Wild Wooleys. You mean the one like 1.5 years ago in the alley where dude got smoked?
Nah, we didn't laugh, just shot the hood back up to them vatos. They didn't want none, but we didn't know what the hell hood they were talking about since we are from LH/WT.
Which murder at Wild wooleys..LOL...there's been a few. that place is a cholo magnet. i've seen two rumbles there in the last year. One spilled out onto Broadway...maybe 15+ on 15+ heads on each other. One guy got his headed stomped on over and over in the middle of Broadway. That area used to be puro VCV...is it still that way?
I thought CSL was dead in the South Bay.
So the SD CSL calls itself Coronado Avenue Locos ? I always thought they just went by CSL or SSCSL. what do they tag up...CSL CLS? Ins't there a CALS gang in South Side? Crazy Ass Latinos?
I haven't head about CSL in SD in a long time! Since 1994! I used to know a skinny light skinned homie from there. I forgot what they called him..maybe Sleepy? He used to kick it with the SELKSX3 South Bay clicka in Chula Vista. Anyway, I remember that CSL used to be like 10 deep maybe.
I always used to see a big ass homie with his AKA in old english on the back of his shirt in chula Vista...his AKA was "BIG SEXY." I would have asked him if he got that name in the joint, but he probably would have capped my ass for that. he used to cruise with a bunch of other CSL homies in a mini van, and they would mad dog little kids all the time. Those homies were like 20 years old, but they would try to pick fights with little teen agers.
I also remember that Nestor and Imperial were all over them. They didn't have a lot of respect down in the South Bay because CSL is originally an East Los varrio, and they kept those ELA ties strong.
SSDiablos was originally from LA (Sun Valley), but they established their hood down here as a San Diego hood by calling themselves SS Diablos instead of Sol Valle Diablos. I seem to remember that they got more respect from the South Bay hoods since they broke off from LA and became their own varrio down here in San Ysidro. Someone on this forum said they are allied with Nestor. I remember that they used to beef with CSL in the early 90's. Maybe that's why they are allied with NST.
And SS 18th Street in SBSD..I heard of that too. They were between Palm and Coronado on 18th...by Marion High School. LA's 18th Street tried to set up in CV in the late 90's, but Otay and VCV shut them down. Mainly Otay, since the 18th was trying to set up in Otay's neighborhood by Castle Park High. Otay used to been real deep back in the 80's and 90's. They still run deep?
Ay...Logan gets along with Wop Town now? I remember thay used to beef hardcore. A 30TA boy killed one of Wop Town's heads back in the earkly 80's, and they've been at war ever since (or so I thought).
Coronado Ave Locos=wanna bes!
Someone tried to start that hood up..and it never took off. That's why they didn't want any from you guys.
Now they have Picador BLVD (PBLS)Locos...another wanna be gang that started up in Del Sol's hood. Del Sol and Otay will probably check 'em...and PBLS will probably fall apart after that. They'll die off just like that Coronado Avenue Locos bullshit.
Dude, Wild Wooley's is a fucken haven for cholos, with fools from every hood posting up in there. I've met vatos from all over SD up in there. That place always has some proper looking hoes as well, but most are just Bad Boy dick riders.
Seriously, I don't know how that place still functions witout an abatement placed on them or at least sought. I used to chill at a club in the early 2000-2003 at a place called Margarita Rocks in PB and it was the saaaaaaaame shit, all hoods, ghetto as fuck, with fists flying and stabbings and shit, but the place got shut down and fined about $15,000 on the owners after residents/businesses had gotten fed up. Eventually it was shut down. I can guarantee that if Wooley's doesn't clean it's shit up, some sort of Cease and Desist order will eventually make it's way to them.
One other note on that place, I NEVER see any VCV dudes there or even around there. I don't know how they can let a place with so many enemy heads in there just go unchecked. But then again, that is the 21-30 (shit I seen 40 year old cougars looking for Cholo dick in there! LOL.) crowd and youngsters may not want to step, especially with it's reputation.
Oh homey, I am from Logan, but I am 32 years old dog. I don't bang anymore and I get along with whoever dog. I work and chill with vatos from all over SD. I put that banging shit behind me, and yea, my homie is from WT, but when you get older shit doesn't matter dog, but we always get hit up becuase of our placas. But I don't go by the name "BIG SEXY". Now that is some funny shit! LOL.
whats funny is that there are some NST's that used to be from/wanted to bang INSANE FAMILY--but got fired (couldnt cut the mustard,so they got the boot)
same w/ D13
the homies from the FAMILY used to put the mad work in on them fools - funny how life works.
ISNT THERE A NST member who is now from IMPx3?......kinda...CREEPY(er) ISNT IT?....lol
Historically, leaders in Mexico City have regarded the border cities as Americanized beachheads vulnerable to their northern neighbor's penchant for invasions. After a two-year war ending in 1848, the United States wrested away the northern half of Mexico: the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo created the border and seared another painful memory of conquest into the Mexican consciousness. In the following decades, wealthy Southern Californians joined in periodic armed conspiracies with U.S. and Mexican adventurers and political activists trying to colonize Baja California. Tijuana was viewed with particular suspicion by Mexico City because Baja's deserts and mountains cut Tijuana off from the rest of Mexico. The only way to reach the city was to cross into the United States and approach from the north. In this century, Tijuana's economy depended on its northern neighbors' appetites for vice: gambling, prostitution, liquor during Prohibition. U.S. dollars were the dominant currency until the 1970s and are still ubiquitous. The Mexican government has tried to defend Mexican identity with cultural programs that have fed border states a diet of mariachi music, charros (cowboys) and other icons of the interior. This seems to have been a waste of time. Tijuana's population is a mix of migrants from all over Mexico. Although they might regard natives of Mexico City, or chilangos, as imperious, Tijuanans are just as patriotic as other Mexicans. Perhaps more so, scholars have suggested, because the border defines their sense of national identity more sharply. They are culturally agile, moving between the two sides and making the most of each.
So Tijuana and San Diego are closer than they appear; they share an economic horizon. And the very walls tell a story about an evolving hybrid culture. The teenage graffiti artists of Tijuana took the border by storm in the early 1990s, splattering bilingual graffiti across the port of entry, the shopping centers on Agua Caliente Boulevard, the trolley that runs from San Ysidro to downtown San Diego. Contradicting the complaints in California that social ills ooze north from Mexico, "los taggers" were mostly English-speaking, middle-class youths who commuted to schools in San Diego or former immigrants who brought back the hip-hop/graffiti craze with them. An enterprising Tijuana youth from a wealthy family that owned a garment factory in Los Angeles tapped a curious and lucrative market. He opened a corner store on Agua Caliente Boulevard called Madness. It was a paint-drenched clubhouse for taggers which sold the tools and regalia of the trade: baseball caps, baggy jeans, ski masks, backpacks for toting spray-paint cans on clandestine "bombing" runs in which the youths taunted police by adorning their scrawled monikers with the number 1036, the police code for "fleeing suspect." When the officers of the elite Special Tactical Group caught the taggers, they administered street justice by spraying them head to foot with their own confiscated paint cans.
"All of the fashions of the United States arrive sooner or later," said Federico Benitez, the bespectacled, reformist police chief who in early 1994 organized an antigraffiti campaign by police and social workers. "The movement of people back and forth is large. It brings these influences."
The graffiti craze burst the confines of working-class neighborhoods in Tijuana, catching on with children of Mexican millionaires and with nonconformists in their thirties--"what in other times would have been called hippies," Chief Benitez said. In fact, the taggers were the latest in a procession of defiant trans-border subcultures: the zoot-suited pachucos of the 1940s, the hippies of the 1960s, and the cholo gang members of today. A more destructive form of this cultural ferment swallowed up a group of Mexican-American gang members from the Logan Heights barrio of San Diego in 1993. Recruited as traveling gunmen by the Arellano drug lords, the young men of the Thirtieth Street gang ended up in the middle of the murder of the cardinal of Guadalajara; they were hunted down while their bosses disappeared and the mysteries of drugs and politics went unsolved.
In comparison to the young narco-soldiers, the graffiti "crews" were mere nuisances. But they caused a lot of indignation and discussion in Tijuana about insidious foreign influences on local youth. The crews were hundreds strong and had names like Fool Krew, Homeless Altamira Punks and HEM, the Spanish acronym for Made in Mexico. "I like the name HEM because it's 100 percent Mexican," declared Bens, seventeen, a rebellious rich kid sitting cross-legged on the counter of the Madness store. His tag adorned a giant HEM insignia on a white wall across the boulevard from Madness dated 1993, the year of the tagger invasion. Bens (as in Mercedes) had lived for two years in Southern California with cousins who were avid taggers. He did not work or go to school, and he spent nights at a time without seeing his family, whom he described sourly as "muy stuckup." Bens and his crew spoke a rollicking Spanglish patois full of terms like lonche (lunch), raite (ride), underground, wannabes, get-a-life.
"What do I have to do with Mexico City or Sinaloa, if I spent my life shopping here in San Ysidro at Ralph's and Safeway?" growled another graffiti artist, eighteen-year-old Fran Ilich, slurping a Coke at a Jack-in-the-Box a quick walk north of the San Ysidro port of entry. Ilich was edgy and skinny with short disheveled hair, an appropriately bohemian-looking leader of Tijuana's guerrilla counterculture. He was also an aspiring novelist, journalist and filmmaker. "Before being Mexican, I am from Tijuana. Taggers, raves, techno--those are words you can't translate. I have to like this transculturation, this hybrid language: that's what I am."
Good article you dropped homie. That pretty much sums it up. You know, Lonewolf has a section on here in regards to the Barrios of tijuana as well. Really good reading to compare the binational influence and to see how many LA (and to some extent, a few SD) barrios have lent a hand in shaping the Lexicon of Gang life in Tijuana. Many LA gangs have branches in Tijuana since many have homeboys that were deported. There are shops of CV70's, 18 street, F 13, MS-13, 38th Street, Lomita,shit the list goes on and on.
"As wise as Nestor" means...
...that your advice, while seeming sound, may not be effective. The mythological king Nestor (from Homer's Iliad) was proclaimed as wise, but his wisdom was outdated. His counseling sounded good on its face, but would not yield the desired results.
The name NESTOR has its roots in ancient Greek. It is thought to mean a TRAVELER and WISDOM.
From (Greek mythology); A wise old counselor to the Greeks at Troy.
Rarely do I see NST19 use “VARRIO” in their initials. What I do see is the old initials “NSTR” which to the best of my knowledge stand for…
…NeSToR
…NeSTor Rifa
…Nineteenth StreeT Rifa
…Nestor Nineteenth StreeT Rifa
NSTR stands for all the different versions for la cliqua de NESTOR
The “community” of Nestor includes the Southern San Diego county zone which includes the areas mainly known today as northern San Ysidro’s (Dairy Mart Area), Palm City, Del Sol, the eastern part of Imperial Beach, the Palm Avenue neighborhood. Basically the whole stretch starting out from north of the 905 freeway and Dairy Mart Road to the Otay River Bottom, and from the 805 on the east to SATURN (19 StreeT) on the west side of the I-5.
What some people may refer to today as the NESTOR community area would be more restrictive to the borders between Beyer Boulevard on the east, to Saturn on the west with Coronado Avenue as their main calle running through their neighborhood.
The heart of the "OLD" Nestor “BARRIO” (Community) is centered on the maps at Coronado Avenue and the Rail-Road tracks overpass close by the San Diego PD Southern Division between Beyer and the I-5.
NESTOR basically equals
=the same as=
“Otay Mesa WEST”..
..and for those who are familiar with the topography, the WEST part becomes obvious when you have to climb up the 905 to head up to “OTAY MESA,” over to where the Yonkes (Junk Yards) and Brown Field are located at.
That East (UPPER MESA) part up there is divided from the “West (LOWER MESA) Otay Mesa” which slopes down to even out with Imperial Beach and the Otay River Valley.
OTAY MESA WEST (NESTOR) topography thus equals its definition of a “wide level place.”
NESTOR the “VARRIO” is a little more ambiguous to me. I would deduct more or less for NST19 territory to be within..
(N) Palm Avenue,
(W) Saturn Avenue,
(S) Leon Avenue as far as Servando Avenue,
(E) I-5, stretching it some to Beyer Boulevard.
The Varrio is centered along the CORONADO AVENUE and HOLLISTER neighborhood.
A NST19 started up version I “Heard” was that they are a “CHICOS” generation that raised up out of the ashes of the old VARRIO PALMAS.
NSTR is said to be from a part from an old generation PALMAS blend, mixed-in with a newer 19 STREET clique.
PALMAS Varrio was centered on Palm Avenue and Hollister in PALM CITY, running along the east and west sides of the tracks and the Trolley.
Los PALMAS survived all the way up to the early 80s, but ever since has been quiet about it.
The new “PALM CITY” neighborhood is represented mainly by.. “FROM HELL,” which as of recent years has transformed from reppin’ the Clique/Crew FHLocoS, to reppin’ PC’FH (Familia Hispana) 13.
NESTOR (Otay Mesa West) old “community” territory is shared by other BARRIOS like “DEL SOL” (from the late 60s/very early 70s) along the Del Sol Boulevard neighborhood which stretches from Beyer Boulevard on the West, to the 805 Freeway on the east and the 905 on the south.
The “PALM AVENUE” neighborhood (from the 1990s) centered along Palm Avenue stretching along from Beyer Boulevard to the 805 on the east.
The “IRIS AVENUE” neighborhood (from the 1970s) centered in-between Beyer, the 905, Coronado Avenue and the I-5, running across from the Iris Ave Trolley station to Southwest Junior High School.
The old DAIRY MART neighborhood from the very early days, stretching along the north side of Dairy Mart Road in San Ysidro, tucked in-between Dairy Mart and the 905, presently represented by both “SIDRO” and the “DAIRY MART X3” previously known as the DMLocoS from the 1990s.
Varrio NESTOR 19 claims South Side San Diego…
…and NST19 claims 13 like ALL THE REST from the SOUTH BAY!
NESTOR as part of an olden South San Diego Bay community goes back in time, but as a new barrio, its years go back to the later 1950s, and as 13 VARRIO it is much younger than that.
To give you a hint of how old this CORONADO AVENUE (NESTOR) Barrio goes back, come down and check out the South Bay Drive-In Theater a.k.a. Coronado Drive-In from the 1950s and see how much Raza clings to the Nostalgia!
to the logan boy , since u been around what were san diegos main hoods while you were banging?
homie no diss intended..bur you Nestor history is off... NST does use V and sometimes B in their intitials (VNST, BNST, NST19ST, NST13, NST19STYGS, NST19STCHS). I havent seen NSTR hit up since the early 90's. Maybe that's coming back up now
The OG Communities of SSD are Otay (dates cack to the late 1800's, became part of CV in the 1980's), Fruitdale (does not exist anymore, area is now part of CV), San Ysidro (dates back to the late 1800's, became part of SD in the 1950's), and Palm City (became part of SD in the 1950's).
Nester, Otay Mesa (recently the City of SD split the community of Otay Mesa into OM East, and OM West), and Egger Highlands were started as developments in the late 50's, after the Egger family donated land to the City of San Diego. Way after PC and SY were around. So...the Nestor community does not include north SY, PC, or Otay Mesa West. All are seperate neighborhoods. although there was a Otay Mesa-Nestor Community Plan made for that area in the late 70's. That plan was made to serve both the Otay Mesa and Nestor neighborhoods. Nestor does not equal Otay Mesa West. They are seperate neighborhoods. And, Coronado and the tracks are in Palm City. That area eas never part of Nestor. That area is Palm City, and it has been even before San Diego took over Palm City from the county. VLP. PCLS, or PCFH always held that turf.
VNester came up as a gang in the mid to late 70's. VLas Palmas was already around by then (1960's), and VLP died off way after NST was already established (around the early 80's). NST did originally tag up NSTR for NeSToR and for NeSTor Rifa...but the Rifa part was just a generic term that many gangs used (although a lot of LA gangs do incorporate the "Rifa" into their names).
Knowdays I've seen VSTR for STRifa, MKTR, for MarketRifa, and VLSOR, for Otay Rifa. It seems like the term "rifa" is making a comeback on the walls.
Originally Nestor only claimed VNestor or (VNST/BNST). They added the "rifa" too to show their supremcy(VNSTR, BNSTR). Sort of like how gangs add C/S, #1, etc... In the early 80's they started reppin the trece as NST13, VNST13, BNST13.
The 19th Street Clicka (VNST19ST) came up in the late 70's or early 80's, died off for a while, and recently came back (late 90's?).
Now NST13 pretty much is synonymous with NST19, and NSTX9 has two main clickas that I know of...the Youngsters (YGS) and Chicos (CHS). I've seen VNST19LS a few monthe ago off of Mian ST in Chula Vista..so maybe there is a Locos clicka, or maybe they are just using Locos as a generic term, like a lot of other gangs do.
NST's varrio turf is from I-5 to Imperial Beach's city border (roughly 15th Street), and Palm Avenue to Sunset. Their turf includes the neighborhood of Nestor, and part of the neighborhood of Egger Highlands.
About Del Sol:
The gang Del Sol set up shop in the Otay Mesa neighborhood in the late 60's/early 70's. Del Sol was never a split off of VLOtay like many belive. VDS was started by some brothers that got tired of getting picked on by Sidro Boys. The brothers lived south of Del Sol BLVD, a main drag, so they named their new gang Del Sol.
And VIris is not that old...it only dates back to the late 80's (maybe early 90's?). I think Yogster from IDM cleared that up by explaining that Chicanos from FCW started VIRis.
About VLP set hopping to NST..never happened. VLP died off in the early 80's (prison , dead homies, drop outs). Way after NST came up. PCLS aka VPC, PCX3, Varrio Palm "ressurected" the Palm City Varrio. i think PCLS also had a clika called Palm Avenue Locos. Now PC Famila Hispania (originally a tagger crew called Forever High, then From Hell) reps Palm City. The PCLS may still be around reppin though.
Coronado Avenue locos: maybe some youngsters trying to start something up.
Here's a true run down of SD neighborhoods and their respective gangs.
Palm City:
VLP (60's-80's), PCLS/PALS (1990's to now?), PCFH 9early 200's to now),
Otay Mesa West:
PCLS, Del Sol, VIris, FCW, IDM, Picador BLVD LS, SSBloods (dead),
San Ysidro:
Siro (MLS, TLS, LTS), SSDiablos, Dairy Mart Locos
Nestor:
NST19
Egger Highlands:
NST19, some SSDX3, Clarence Street Locos (dead)
City of imperial Beach:
Imperial 13 (DKS, RKS, LTS, CKS), had some Clarence near the boderline back in the day.
THERE’S A FEW BITS AND PIECES WHICH YOU BASICALLY RE-ITERATE (REPEAT) WHAT WAS DROPPED IN THE LINES ABOUT NESTOR. BUT IT’S COOL ESE, I SEE YOU’RE SOMEWHERE FROM AROUND HERE.
TELL YOU ONE THING “FOR SURE” VIA DID NOT START UP IN THE 80s. THEY WERE THERE BEFORE THE TROLLEY LINE WAS SET UP. THEY WERE HEARD AND KNOWN ABOUT BEFORE THE 80s. THOSE VATOS FROM VIA ALWAYS HAD HAD MAJOT PEDO WITH SYR, AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE OLD SCHOOL “INITIALS” FROM THE VARRIOS AROUND, VDS WAS NOT OLD SCHOOL, IT’S ALWAYS BEEN “DSR” DEL SOL RIFA, NOT VSY BUT “SYR” SAN YSIDRO RIFA, VLPR VARRIO LAS PALMAS RIFA, NSTR NESTOR RIFA, OTAY WAS STRAIGHT UP “O13” AND THEE IMPERIALS WERE “IMP13”.. THOSE WERE THE OLD SCHOOL “INITIALS.”
SO IF THERE’S NEWER VERSIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE NST19, VLO OR WHATEVER, THAT’S ALL NEW, IT AIN’T FROM OLD.
WHETHER DEL SOL WAS AN OFFSHOT FROM OTAY 13 OR STARTED BY A COUPLE OF BRO’S.. I CAN’T SAY, I WAS NOT THERE TO WITNESS IT FOR MYSELF, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE VILLA NUEVA AND DEL SOL APT’S BOTH ARE FROM THE YEAR “1971” IF I GOT IT CORRECT. DEL SOL IS FROM THE SAME ERA AS THE VILLA LOCOS. RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER ALONG DEL SUR BLVD. AND JUST LIKE THE VISTA TERRACE PROJECTS IN SY, THE PARK LIDO PROJECTS IN DS CAME TO ADD TO THEIR RANKS..
SIDRO, DEL SOL, PALMAS AND IRIS AVENUE WERE ALLL HEARD ABOUT BACK THEN, BUT NESTOR WAS NOT HEARD ABOUT UNTIL THE OLD “PALMAS” BARRIO VIRTUALLY WENT MISSING, AND PALMAS WAS THERE AFTER THE 70s INTO THE VERY EARLY 80s.
FROM HELL AND WHATEVER OTHER NAME THEY WENT BY BEFORE, THEY’RE FROM WAY AFTER. FROM THE LATER 1990s FROM THE LITTLE I KNOW.
DON’T KNOW WHAT ERA YOU’RE FROM BUT CHECK THIS OUT, WHEN A VARRIO GOES OUT AND THERE’S A VOID LEFT, WHAT HAPPENS? THE NEW BOYS ON THE STREETS FORM THEIR OWN, QUE NO?
SO I DON’T MEAN TO SAY THAT NSTR HOMIES ARE VLPR HOOD JUMPERS, CHALE, THAT’S NOT WHAT I MEANT. I MEANT TO SAY THAT THE “YOUNGSTER” PEOPLE FROM AROUND PC/NESTOR “NEIGHBORHOOD” ARE “AMONGST” THE ORIGINAL NSTR MEMBERSHIP. YOU KNOW THERE WAS A WIDE GAP IN-BETWEEN LAS PALMAS AND FROM HELL, SO EXPLAIN THAT ONE TO ME SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE IN-BETWEEN YEARS!
HERE’S MORE THAT YOU SAID
“The 19th Street Clicka (VNST19ST) came up in the late 70's or early 80's, died off for a while, and recently came back (late 90's?).”
AND WHAT DID I SAY?
“NESTOR as part of an olden South San Diego Bay community goes back in time, but as a new barrio, its years go back to the later 1950s, and as 13 VARRIO it is much younger than that.”
YOU ALSO MAKE MENTION OF THE SY LTS, TLS AND MLS. THE OLDEST OF THEM 3 CLIQUES BEING THE “LTS” LOCOTES FOLLOWED BY THE TINY LOCOS AND PRESENT TIMES BOTH THE TLS AND MALOS ARE STILL OUT THERE REPRESENTING. SO I GOT TO TELL YOU, THE LTS WERE WELL KNOWN BACK IN TIME (EARLY 80s), BUT “NESTOR” WAS BARELY HEARD OF EVEN THOUGH “VIA” WAS AROUND ALREADY USING FILEROS ON SYR RAZA AND NO ONE AS YET HAD EVER HEARD OF PROTECTIVE CUSTODY FROM HELL, PALS, CALS, RC AND CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF, OTAY WAS STILL O13 “OTAY 13” NOT VLO, NOT VLSO13, IT WAS STRAIGHT “O TRECE” !!!
THAT’S HOW IT WENT!
AT THEIR END, THE FCW WERE HEADQUARTERED DOWN IN SIDRO BY THE SYCAMORE APTS ON WILLOW AND SYCAMORE!THEY WERE BUT A FEW HEADS STILL CLAIMING IT. THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS YOU MIGHT SAY.
IRIS avenue started in the mid/late 90's....
after some of the homies got locked up - it wasn't accepted being from a mix gan, so they started their own neighborhood w/ the blessings of their rivals.
much respect to IRIS AVENUE / INSANE FAMILY.
Otay wrote up VLO and O13 in the 70s homie.VLO=O13=O13R=VLOR Its just a different way of writing it.The yung bucks now writ VLSO and VOTAY sometimes 1513.Same as all that rifa. In the 70s we fought with VCV DS VSY VLP.Im my day DSR was not Del Sol Rifa,it was Del Sol Riders.In My day the Riverbottoms just started popping up.And Varrio Nestor-i hardly remember them as just beginning wen i left that ganster life.VLP was still there when Nestor was starting.I know a vato from VLP now.We are the same age.And I remember him from back in the day.I wish i can answer the VLP Nestor question for the both of you, but I can't remember.maybe if I see him I'll ask him.But i think I remeber VLP fighting with Nestor cause Nestor tried tsking over their hood.Maybe Nestor was started by vatos that couldnt hang with VLP. VLP also fought Imperial VSY DS and Otay.The other thing-older vatos from south san diego will remeber that the sheriff used to patrol Otay in the 70s and 80s.Now the CVPD patrols it.And to that vato from Logan-i har you on that.Now I have friends from all sort of varrios.Even ones I didn;t get along with-VCV VLP OTNC VSY.Its funny how things change when you get old.
OGSHADOW VLOX3 LOCOTES
DO YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES OF ANY OLD 70s PLACASOS FOR OTAY?
I DON'T EVER REMEMBER SEEING "VLO" HIT UP ANYWHERE BACK IN THE 70s.
O13,OX3, OTAY 13 BUT NEVER
VARRIO LOCOS OTAY NEVER
TO THAT SOMEONE WHO WROTE THAT VIA
IS FROM THE 1990s YOU ARE WAY OFF WITH THAT, VIA GOES BACK TO THE VERY END OF THE 1970s THAT'S SERIO
AND IN REGARDS TO ALL THE BEEFS ALL AROUND, NOTHING HAS CHANGED, NO ONE GETS ALONG WITH NO ONE, ALL THOSE RIVALRIES YOU WROTE ABOUT, THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
AND I NEVER SAID THAT PALMAS STARTED NESTOR, I THOUGHT I SAID THAT PEOPLE/YOUNGSTERS FROM THAT WHOLE AREA WERE AMONGST THE STARTERS, BUT EVEN SO, IT WAS A VERSION "I HEARD" AN D I WROTE THAT TOO. NESTOR "VARRIO" CAN NOT BE MUCH OLDER THAN THE EARLY 80s AND AT THE MOST I WOULD GIVE THEM THE VARY LATE 70s BUT THAT'S ALL.
YOUR BORDERS FOR WHAT NESTOR PROPER IS ARE OFF SOMEWHAT, NESTOR THE COMMUNITY IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE I-5. AND PALM CITY IS INCLUDED AS BEING PART OF THE GREATER NESTOR COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH PALM CITY BARRIO HAS BEEN AROUND MUCH LONGER THAN THAT. PALM CITY, LA PUNTA, SOUTH SAN DIEGO, DEL SOL, DAIRY MART, ALL THOSE AREAS ARE MUCH OLDER THAN "NESTOR" BUT THEY ARE BUNCHED IN BY THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AS OTAY MESA WEST/NESTOR, QUE NO? SO THAT RIGHT THERE IS WHERE WE MAY NOT BE SEEING IT THE SAME. I DO HOWEVER AGREE WITH YOU AS TO NESTOR's "VARRIO" BORDERS.
Man take it easy...you are wrong on a lot of your info.
VLO has been hitup since the 1970's. I asked some veteranos that straight up said that that's when the post Yatos generation came up, and they tagged up Otay LS, VLO, and O13. You can see VLO hitups in old concrete in Otay, right next to O13 hitups. Check it out off of Albany, and in some spots at Otay park. All those hitups mean the same thing, like that homie from Otay told you. You even got it straight from the horse’s mouth, and you still are arguing it.
And that homeboy that wrote all that history on SSD is right. You can find a map of Nestor on the City of San Diego's website. It also includes the history.
I work for San Diego, and I have seen planning maps. I bet you I even know the dude that schooled you on the history of SSD neighborhoods (I might even know that homie that brought up the history of Shelltown’s and Sherman’s names). He probably works with me, or he has come in to look at maps for an historical report on a neighborhood. Nestor does not equal Otay Mesa West. Otay Mesa West is its own neighborhood, Nestor is its own neighborhood, Egger Highlands is own neighborhood. Palm City has been recently included in the Otay Mesa West neighborhood, even though it has its own history. You can see the "town" of Palm City on very old city/county maps. It's kind of like how Burlingame has been lumped together with North Park, even though Burlingame was its own neighborhood/subdivision at one time.
And another thing, for being such SSD a scholar, you really don't know the real border of the community of Nestor. Nestor is not on both sides of I-5. It stops at I-5, skirts south of 905 to Atherton, Brando, and Servado. Check out the map here: http://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil/cd8/pdf/nestor.pdf
You sound like you are confusing yourself with all of your circular rhetoric on communities and varrios.
Ay...don't even bother...its a troll job..
IRIS may have been around back in the 70's - but the generation that bangs it now, arent over 40years of age.
in fact- their vets are from FCW.
much respect - good to see that we can have a mature talk without anyone starting shit.
Interesting info being thrown up on all the Sad Diego Varrios.
Ey, to the vato that works for the city or something like that, you got any old maps you can post up?
NESTOR to my understanding is west of the 1-5, but I'm pretty sure there's a sign somewhere that reads NESTOR around the Beyer Blvd area but I can't remember where exactly is at. I'll keep my eyes peeled for that next time I'm driving around El Tigre.
I remember reading about some of the old neighborhoods in the area like Palm City, South San Diego and Otay Valley. There's a lot of good history on the web about 'em.
The oldest Varrios I would deduct to be SY, DS, O13, IMP13 and PC. All the rest came after from my understanding.
I got this e-mail from a vato who updated me on some of SY history and he filled me saying that the Coachmen came after and older clique known as the Vultures (Buitres) and corrected me on some of the years for the different SY cliques. You vatos have been posting left and right going at it in this here SD Varrios page so it's being hard for me to keep up and break it down like I wanted to into the different zones for SD, you know South East, East Side, South Bay, etc.
Got one question that pops into mind right now and that is..
Does NC claim South Bay, South SD or what? Or do they just claim their city/town NC?
What up LW!
In regards to NC.
They used to just rep NC (OTNC reps WSNC and BBS NCLocos, ABS, and YBS rep ESNC). Sometime recently (recently to my older ass) OTNC and VCV started the whole South Bay car.
You got all the gangs in NC, CV, SSD, and IB that claim SBSD
But the gangs in CV, SSD, and IB also claim SS or SSD too (but not NC).
Lately though, it seems that the NC gangs and Otay have started to drop SB and SBSD in their hitups. Maybe it's because VCV has a set that goes by South Bay Locos (VCV SBLS). OTNC and Otay are probably the #1 rivals of VCV, so maybe that has something to do with it. But you still see hard ass homeboys from Pueblo Viejo rockin South Bay tattoos.
I have a question...did VCV SBLS break off from VCV?? Most of the VCV hitups now just read VCV, VCV GLS, or VCV GLS*NBLS. I saw a recent hitup that just said SBLSX3 SSD too. VCV GST got shut down...too many homies getting locked up and killed all at the same time.
And about Wild Wooleys and VCV....That area used to be puro CV back in the late 90's. That's probably when VCV was the biggest they had ever been. They had the E Street, H Street, and Grande Locos clickas all set up back then. The Broadway corridor was all VCV from C Street to L Street in the 90's. That's when CVPD started cracking down hard on VCV, and they shrank back down.
WSLS popped up in the late 90's when VCV got cracked on, and they took over part of VCV's hood from C ST to F ST (the Marlborough Heights neighborhood). VCV made a recent comeback (GLS NBLS SBLS GST) and put the hurt on WSLS. Ans now CVPD is cracking down hard on VCV again, and they have shrunk back in size.
That area has been in a state of flux since the late 90's. At one time or another from the late 90's to now, their has been about four local gangs roaming the area-VCV, WSLS, OTNC,and Fifth Block Crazies, as well as homies from SWKX3 (LA), Aztec Nation, Palm City, and a short lived gang called LSX3.
That's probably the reason why it is free for any hoodster to kick it there. But that is also why there has been a rash of homicides and rumbles in that area too.
Otay's been getting deeeeeeeep again since VCV has been getting locked down.
WSLS...somebody posted up that they wanted to know their history.
They were started up by a Block Boys dropout when his familia moved to West CV. Off the bat VCV gave him problems because of his old association with ESNC. he started up a new click and called it West Side Locos or South bay West Side Locos.
They got real deep when VCV was on lockdown. I saw a roll call at Eucalyptus Park, and it had about 50+ names on it. That's pretty deep for the small area they occupied, and for a SBSD gang. Were not talking LA or SESD here.
They were cool with OTNC, and would kick it with them. At that time OTNC could creep into that part of CV without too many problems since they had a sort of confederacy with WSLS.
VCV started comming up again with the SBLS and NBLS clicks, and went to war with WSLS over that area. Most people will remember the rash of gang related homicides/shootings in CV throughout the early 2000's. Most of that was VCV vs. WSLS and VCV vs. OTNC. Anyway WSLS got hit hard by VCV (and by crackdowns by CVPD). I heard that the OG that started it was murdered a little while ago, and since then WSLS has almost fell off the map. they are still around though.
Right now it's VCV vs. WSLS vs. FBCLS in that area. I think FBCLS might have gone inactive, and WSLS is pretty weak (no diss, they are just tiny now), and CVPD has been rounding up VCV left and right. Who knows what will happen in that area now.
Anyone know Fifth Block Crazies history?
Just have to drop a shout out to you vatos for keeping the dialogue respectable without any hang ups or shit talking. That right there let's you know you are all solid vatos. Orale.
Orale, de aquellas to the Vato who took the time to answer my inquiry about NC.
The whole NC cosa me interesa una madres. Seems like that Town is caught between SE/SD and SSD/SB. The whole thing about SD trips me out to learn about.
Where I come from, where I used to roam around at one time back in the day like we hear say now days, well the whole SIDE this and SIDE that deal ain't as complicated, but then again "IT CAN BE" if you ain't raised around there, Q'Vo?
You have the East Side which includes East L.A. and East Los (not to be confused) but both can mean the same ~> "EAST SIDE!"
Now the East Side includes a whole range on old neighborhoods, going from some of the most heard about like Boyle Heights, Lincoln Heights, Maravilla (Belvedere), El Sereno, City Terrace, Brooklyn Heights, Happy Valley/Rose Hills and Wyvernwood. But that right there IS NOT all the old East Side gangster land, chale, there's a whole mess more terrenos to be included in the East Side, including the old East Side, the East Side before you crossed the River, the original East Side known today as "South Central" or the Low Bottoms as the Black Raza baptized it with. But now days, SC is considered "SOUTH SIDE" and no longer East Side..
You take an old Varrio like DOG TOWN, old as can be, older than some of the considered most old ones. Once part of the Grande Este Lado, but now lies on its own on the "WEST SIDE" of the River, and some Homies even hit up "WS" but DxT can't really be considered to be part of the West Side because they are detached from those hoods on the West Side, way way apart in locality and attitude. You have some of the Veterano Homies claiming old times ES, then you have newer generations hitting up WS, and then you have the vDTR name propping-up hard-hitters out there since the very late sixties and early 70s hitting up NELA (North East L.A.) home of the 2nd Varrio in the Highland Parke crazy old 213 area. Caught in the politics of their surroundings, ES, WS, NELA and who the fuck else? So what Side is DxT from?
"BROWN SIDE 13" BOW DOWN!!!
Therefore NC brought to mind a little bit from back there, HA!
ANYHOWS!
Here goes nada..
OTNC
OLD TOWN NATIONAL CITY
OTNC claims West Side NC
Claims "SOUTH BAY"
Considered to be the Oldest and Biggest Varrio in National City.
OTNC is also part of the Southern 13 Empire.
Flag color ~> Baby (powder) Blue
Lid ~> Univ. of North Carolina
Borders: (But not restricted to)
South: 24Th Street
West: I-5 Freeway
North: Division Street
East: Highland Avenue
Old Corazon del Barrio
between 4Th and 8Th Calles
Cliques:
ANCHOR BOYS said to be the OG's
(Longshoremen of old/Unconfirmed)?
NOS NightOwlS 30Th & Highland
GATOS (Veteranos clika with some old heads still around and few young recruits representing).
ANTIGUOS a.k.a. OLDEN BOYS "OBS"
OG HQ's at HOOVER & 19Th "DEAD END"
MIDGETS a.k.a. ENANO BOYS "EBS"
OG HQ's at PALM and R Avenue.
INSANES a.k.a. INSANE BOYS "IBS"
One of the most reputed cliques from OTNC!
OG HQ's "E" Avenue Block
LATINOS a.k.a. LATINO BOYS
Mostly Brown Bro's HQ in Tj.
...
ALLEY BOYS (ABS)..
Broke left ~>
From the Norton Avenue NH
(Defunct)
Norton Avenue Boys the Next Generation(?)
SOME MORE LW SMALL 411 POTATOES!!!
Well Shit Got-Dang
Here’s goes the rest…
NATIONAL CITY!!!
BLOCK BOYS (BBS)
From the ALTA VISTA NH
Cherry Blossom Lane
NOTORIOUS AS CAN BE!!!
OG HQ’s 4100 Block of East Plaza Blvd.
ACRE BOYS (ABS)
From the Lincoln Acres Area
“East Side National”
Norte ~> Plaza Blvd.
Sur ~> 54 Filipino-Americano Freeway
East ~> Calle Rachel
West ~> The 805
YESCA BOYS (YBS)
A.k.a. YESCA 13
From the 2200 Block of Lanoitan Ave.
“National” spelled backwards
(Defunct)
ES’NCxLS East Side NC LocoS
From the PLAZA MANOR NH
Still Going!
The Olden RASTA BOYS from the 80s
Start Up Vatos from NC & CV
Now cliqued up and rep O’13
Varrio “OTAY 13”
South Side San Diego (Not C.V.)
And last but not least..
SOUTH SIDE MOB 13
a.k.a. NC MOB 13
Also Known As SOUTH BAY MOB
Said to be kick-started by LYNWOOD MOB
Vatos from L.A and SD/SE County
OG members Brown &n Black
~> Went straight South “13”
Still Around somewhat
DIVISION STREET LOCOS (Defunct)
Borderline NC and SE/SD
we feel you on that one Lonewolf. I had that discussion a couple pages back. See, you can figuratively take a neighborhood and break it down into NSEW sides. In East Side SAN DIEGO, you have a couple handles as well like SS ICK (new tagbangers) that claim the SOUTH SIDE of EAST SIDE. Then you have ESSD 13 proper that uses the default generic term of ES because demographic wise they are. But you also have the Logan Clicka Boys that were born in East Side but because of their SE ties (which were bastard at best) they never adapted the ES handle, but adapted the Colina Park to show their area, but CP is in East Side. Also, I have argued countless times with individuals on where South East begins and ends. Many consider Downtown SD as the the CENTRO of SD city, so head to East Side, then South, and you hit SHELLTOWN (the southern 38/40's blocks). But then again, my varrio Logan is considered southeast, becuase it is a couple miles south of Downtown, then east. I never EVER understood how Varrios like Spring Valley and Paradise Hills can claim South East. Encanto does it as well. See, you can go EAST all the fuck way to El Cajon, then head SOUTH and what do you hit? I think alot of the youngsters bang the SE handle not out of distinction, but the general history of it's notoriety. And from the OG's from NC I know, they never ever claimed anything but THE CITY. It's own distinction. But as well, NC has it's own ES/WS. Now as I stated, I am never one to speak on Varrios I don't know, and my knowledge doesn't go past SE, so I am a spectator absorbing the clecha on the South Bay, but you vatos definitely know your shit. You know, when I first starting working in Construction out of ManPower back in 1998, I even met a vato who was out the pinta who was from San Ysidro East Side Locos. No Bullshit.
Also, there are two West Side Locos gangs. One in the South Bay and one in San Diego. The one in San diego was a very short lived gang that actually didn't beef with anyone but a few run ins. They were a family that tried to expand but never made it out of their own front yard, reallyy. No pun intended but they did not.
oh by the way, have any of you South Bay vatos know about an old tagging crew called SPC? I heard they went gangster and I even know an ES boy that was shot by them in early 2000. Are they still around? Oh also I have two CD's I found cleaning out my garage. One is by a vato named OG SANCH from NC. Anyone heard of him? As well I have a CD from a vato named SLUSH THE VILLAIN I picked up at a car show like 5 years maybe more back. I was listening to it and he says "HK is the click that I bang with!". Any of you can shed light on these vatos? Gracias.
Ay wey!
SY East Side Locos?
Serio ese?
Can't say that I ever heard of them.
But then again, que se yo?
I just ordered the book
"TWILIGHT ON THE LINE"
I've read it before and I tought that it made for some very firme reading. There's like 4 different stories in it. I can relate a little to a couple of them, in particular the one dealing with the vato who took the rap for Donaldo Colosio's 187. That vato's carnal stayed in Wilmas for a while and I threw down with him and his sobrinos, it was like 7 against me, pero no hay pedo, some DCC folks came out to back me up. Trip me out porque this assassin primos were my Homies from San Pedro, but oh well, that's how it goes que no? Anyways, that story was good, but the main reason I point out to this book is because there's a chapter in it dedicated to the LH30TA and AFC connection. So if I been keeping my sense up somewhat around here in these pages, there's a Vato from LH30 who comes around and educates us on this little chante of ours, so pense that maybe El vato would be interested in reading the book. When I get a handle on it, I'll throw some out there for a dialogue.
I remember WS from SD..they used to go by WSSDX3 didn't they?
SS ICK claims CH ICKLS (City Heights) now
Spring Valley claims SESD! That's a trip. I heard Lemon Grove claims SESD, and sometimes "East County."
I can see PH claiming it since it is in the city of SD on the SE side.
Hey I don't think that Rasta Boys (RBS) clicked up with Otay. I think they died off in the late 80's and early 90's.
Otay has the Rasta Locos though, but I don't thnik they are connected to RBS in anyway.
I think RBS even had whites and black in it, but I remember them in the SB, mostly in Chula Vista.
SPC...never heard of them. Heard of HKX3LS. I think they are a dead click now.
Anyone in the South Bay remember Castle Park Mob? Are they sill around?
CPMob is dead.
short lived "click" of friends - nothing serious to me or anyone else.
SPC.PILLS
i seen that hitup on a bus window before, maybe like 3 years ago. i was eavesdropping on these 2 girls who seemed to be in their mid to late 20s that also noticed the hitup, they were talking about how it reminded them of back in the day when they used to party hard. i guess they knew some homies from SPC or something. funny thing tho, they didnt look or act ghetto at all..
can somebody explain East Side 27 Street Locos please?
is that the 27th in North Park? or is it SM27 that has a set in ES?
""Hey I don't think that Rasta Boys (RBS) clicked up with Otay. I think they died off in the late 80's and early 90's.
Otay has the Rasta Locos though, but I don't thnik they are connected to RBS in anyway.
I think RBS even had whites and black in it, but I remember them in the SB, mostly in Chula Vista.""
^ ^
Orale ese that was my bad. I fucked up with assuming that the Rasta Boys from NC & CV were the same as the Otay RASTA LOCOS. I appreciate the correction on that, props!
What about the rest of the NC info? Any more feedback anybody can throw in about it?
Regarding SPC and HK
SPC Syko Pathik Criminals was a tagbanging crew in the 90s made up of former members of another tagger crew called HK Hispanic Kings. At some point certain members were kicked out and started their own tagger crew(SPC) but went tagbanging on their former homies(fucked up this kid devious pretty bad he was in the hospital for nice little stint)...Most of the original members of both crews lived in PH and National City...SPC members were also cool with DFA and AEK(which is now apart of ESSD)...I remember at some point around 96 hearing that SPC had changed their name to NCCC(National City Crip Cartel) and that they were trying to bang Division Street. Not sure how true this was or how long it lasted but thats the last I've heard of them
HK ended up splitting up and a few of the members started a new crew called UNO(forget what it was called but I went to high school with one of the main members)
Once again - aloty of good info...
even more impressive - everyone is very respectful towards each other and their "views/opinions"....the # of posts proves this.
much respect to SD.
PURO OTAY 13 BOYS RIVER BOTTOM LOCOS AND RASTA LOCOS FUCK THE ENEMIGAS
So i have a question, whats up with OTNC and OTSD are they connected or are they rivals or what?
And how does OT NC CLAIM WEST SIDE WHEN THERE IN SOUTH EAST OR SOUTH BAY SIDE I DONT GET THAT AND WHATS PV NC IS PV ANOTHER CLICK?
Another Net Banger flexing his cyber muscles in a place where that bullshit isn't tolerated too much. As a matter of fact lames such as you Mr. Otay who just posted, show weakness. Banging on the internet used to be a way to get your hood out there, but that was about ten years ago. Now when fools like you come on here to sell woof tickets, it shows that you aren't worthy enough to take your shit out to the calles, let alone be a man with enough respect for himslef, let alone his varrio. But hey, if it makes you feel all the while tougher, if you deem internet banging as a way to notch another stripe under your belt, if it makes you look yourself in the mirror and you can say "I am baaad!" then hey, in your little fake world you created in your head go for it! Now maybe next time you can share some Varrio talk without walking around the fiber optic cables acting all big balls. We welcome that ese. Just a note to sober you up lil vato.
OTNC bangs westside -NATIONAL CITY.
westside OLDTOWN NATIONAL CITY.
OTSD"OTNC are 2 different neighborhoods.
no cyberbanging - kills the mood, everyone is respectful---> lets keep it that way.
good point ^^^^^^^
PV=Pueblo Viejo=Old Town
OTNC=PVNC
GOOD POINT NO NET BANGERS OTNC IS THE CITY NOT SOUTHEST NOT SOUTHBAY OTNC CLAIMS THE CITY
OTNC was riding in the South Bay car for a while (late 90's and early 2000's). I got homies from there and they got South Bay tattoos on them, along with their WSNC ink.
I know some of them (in their 20's and 30's) still claim SBSD along with WSNC.
Maybe the newer generation broke off of the SBSD thing. The SBSD car is new. It came up in the late 90's with OTNC, VCV, and IMP claiming it first. Then the rest got in on it (VLO, DS, SY, NST, PC). word is that two older heads, from OTNC and one VCV, were cool with each other, and they started that whole SBSD car.
But OTNC has claimed WSNC at least since the 70's, and they always will be WSNC first.
And about that Nestor thing....Nestor was a community as far back as 1902. There was also a community next to Nestor called Oneonta during the same time. Oneonta was swallowed up by Imperial Beach (Oneonta School). But the gang VNST is a lot newer. they came up in the late 70's. I taled to an OG from Otay. He said that's when they came around. He also says VLP was around at the same time NST was. So NST probably didn't start from VLP.
Check out this map of the South Bay in 1902. it also shows two other communities that no longer exist. one was brought up here before, it's called Fruitdale. the other is called La Punta.
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/sd/1902otay.jpg
Here's alittle info on the Otay thing...Some people get confused on Otay, Otay Valley, Otay Mesa, and Otay Ranch when I hear them talk.
Otay=community of Chula Vista, low to lower middle income area. Old neighborhood that dates back to the late 1800's. on the west side of CV. Gang is Otay AKA Varrio Loco Otay (VLO,VLSO, O13, OX3, 1513,VOtay) Otay has three clickas: Rasta locos (RLS), Riverbottom Locos (RBLS), and 13 Boys (13BS). Some vatos though don't claim any clickas. they just straight up claim VLO.
Otay Ranch=community of Chula Vista, upper middle to high income area, new developments, no gangs, no where near neighborhood of Otay. On the east side of CV
Otay Mesa=Community of San Diego that overlooks Otay Valley and Chula Vista. Split into Otay Mesa East and Otay Mesa West. Otay Mesa East high income housing next to 805, junk yards next to Brown Field, Donovan State Prison, Baily Detention facility, and commercial coplexes next to the border. otay Mesa East=no gangs in that area.
Otay West=Low to upper middle income area. Gangs in that area are Del Sol (DS,VDS,DS13), Picador Boulevard Locos (PBLS), Iris Avenue (VIA), Insane Diego Mob (IDM), Four Corners of the World (FCW).
Otay Valley=The valley between Chula Vista and San Diego, that the Otay river runs through. The starting point of the Otay Valley is actually in SD County limits, not in CV or City of SD limits.
To that homie that wrote that there is always a new gang that will fill in an dead gangs territory....
that isn't always true.
there's spots in CV that don't have any more gangs
Since SELKS died off in the Hilltop and Naples area in the late '90s, there hasn't been a new clicka in that area.
Harborside in CV hasne't been a claimed neighborhood since VCV died off from there in the early '90's.
And that spot by wild wooleys..that used to be VCV's spot until the late 90's, but now no one claims that area. I think it is a free for all between WSLS and VCV.
your seeing that down off of G Street now too. VCV GST died off, and there is no new clicka moving in.
Otay used to control all the way to the salt plant, but now their hood stops at Broadway. And there hasn't been a gang that has set up in that area (Broadway to Bay BLVD).
There's a lot of spots in LA too that don't have gangs after they have died off.
whole gangs have been displaced by injunctions and redevelopment by the staples center, and even in East Los. and new gangs never set up shop after that.
i can't speak on other areas of SD or LA since I haven't been to those other areas.
that might just be a chula vista thing maybe. that city has cleaned up a lot. it used to be Cholo Vista 24/7, but now it's a lot quieter.
so if anybody's been following From Gs to Gents on MTV, Mito won the membership.
He's from San Marcos but i dont think he's from the varrio, im pretty sure he's either puerto rican or cuban cuz he's got a small tatto somewhere that looks like one of those flags..
anybody know anything about any other gangs or krews that are in that area besides the sureno gangs?
Mito isn't from a Varrio. He works as a plumber with my homeboys uncle. He is Puerto Rican but he is firme. He did 3 years in donovan for pulling a phantom robbery. What happened was he worked at the Money Tree in North County. Him and a couple other co-workers came up with a scheme to act like they were robbed and to keep the money. They tried to have someone "act" like the robber but remember that during jales the DT's always look on the inside out. Same thing with homicides. So the amount was $18,000. They didn't even get to keep it. The stories didn't check out, the Robbery happened in a blind corner of the store, and eventually when hit with the time the other vatos collapsed and caved in. Since Mito was the ringleader/conspirator he was given the mandatory 5 years. He got credit for time served and good behavior and was out in three. Here is the part where he was locked up. See, Puerto Ricans are latino, and most roll with the South Side Car. I knew of a few Crips/Bloods that leaned more to the "nigga" side and rolled with the blacks. However, there are tons of PR Southsiders from Los and SD. Risky from Del Sol is PR with a tat and Mr. Rico from ESSD 13 as well as a few other heads. What happened to Mito was that when he was in County he was told by the South siders to roll with them. He didn't click up and started to talk to the negros. Well they greenlit him and smashed him and beat the fuck out of him badly. Then when he hit state he wasn't acccepted by ANYBODY. The Southerners already had point, the Others wouldn't take him, and the negros were about to tax that ass. Eventually he got rolled up and beat down again. He never pc'd and took his licks. He started to get schooled by some older cats who don't politick anymore and helped him out. He did the rest of his time on his own number and even though he had to scrap a few times eventually he was left alone.
I know this straight from the horses mouth. I chilled with Mito in San Marcos during a get together late last year. I could put it out there because fuck, he is on a reality show and his whole business is out there, and anyone locked up with him can verify the same shit I said.
He isn't from any Varrio and just does his own thing.
SE LKS around the Hilltop area...I miss them dudes
CHICO"LONELY"MORENO"TEMPER"SLEEPY"RASCAL"
I chilled w. them all - down ass dudes!
i forgot "CLEVER" too..that was the homie!
OTNC, Lomas, and Lemon Grove Locos are trippy.
OTNC is always reps NC first and foremost, but they do ride in the Sur Bay car. OTNC kickstarted that along with VCV.
Lomas-they go back and forth with being on their own, or claiming SE. When I was young they used to be on their own. in the early 2000's I remember seeing "SE LM26/SESD Lomas 26" hitups all over Golden Hill, SESD, and the SBSD. but I don't see Lomas hitting up SE anymore.
Lemon Grove Locos go back and forth claiming SESD and East County. I've noticed that since the late 80's.
When i was young, VCV were on their own. Then In the late 90's I started seeing them throw up the SS (as in SS SD) car with their tags. Now they also throw up SSD in their tags too.
The SB is so confusing. In the 80's:
OTNC only repped NC (WSNC), and believe it or not, they used to beef with ABS ad NCLS sometimes.
VCV were on their own, only repping CV.
Imperial were on their own only repping IB,
Otay, Brandywine, Del Sol, Sidro, Diablos 13 and Nestor all repped SSD/SS.
In the late 90's:
OTNC, VCV, WSLS, Otay, DS,SSD13 Sidro, DBS13, IMP, NST, PC all repped South Bay
Everyone but OTNC also repped SS and SSD
Now:
VCV, IMP,DS, NST, SSD13, WSLS, PC all rep SBSD still, and they rep SS/SSD
But are Otay and OTNC still in the SB car? Otay still reps SS/SSD on the streets
And were do BWLS, FBC, and Sidro fit in??? On their own?
And were the ESNC gangs ever in the SB car at all?
Hey to that homeboy from IDM...can you school us on the Pinoy gangs in SSD and SESD?
IDM and UBS were rumored to hold territory in CV. Where was their turf at.
And is it true that IDM broke off of the SE B Down Bloods?
Also..what about LSL? I remeber some Pinoys claiming LSL in the late 80's in SSD. Were they legit?
I give IDM and FCW mad props. Both those clicks put in a lot of work in the 90's!
The only other Pinoy gangs I remember were B Down Bloods, EGP SSI,South Side Bloods, and IPT.
Thanks homeboy!
South Bay SELKS-they need to do a Gangland episode on them. They all pulled some crazy shit! Mad work! They belong in the SD gangster hall of fame.
They should also do a Ganland on Logan 30TA and Del Sol for their AFO connections. Everyone always brings up 30TA, but I remember seeing some Delsoleros lined up in the Mexican news. One was that dude "Bat," one was a fat dude with Del Sol on his big ass panza, and another homie had DSX3 on his chest.
Someone brought up that that homie Bat has a Otay tatoo by a Del Sol tatoo, and that his brother is from Otay. Could it have been that bat was a set hopper? I know that he is from CV. He grew up near Castle Park Middle School, which is Otay turf.
I think all the varrios starting up in NC down to Sidro, they all rep South Bay but they just don't make it a priority nor do they reflect it on their placas, but if they're out of the county and someone hits them up as to where their varrio is at, they'll say "South Bay" San Diego.
WEST SIDE SPRING VALLEY . LEGEND KINGS SUR 13
(WSSV ELE.KA 13) early 1990's now defunct
i forgot about legend kings. hey were all the Wop Town homies at now? Is there hood even around anymore. Little Italy is 100% different now. its all full of rich people there now.
If I remember right, SVLocos hold down La Presa, and that area of Spring Valley. The Legend Kings were on the Spring Valley/Lomita Village border. Did LKX3 and SVLS beef?
Anyone know about other East County gangs like the Brown Side Locos, Santee Originals, Murder Krew, or Dago Wrecking Krew? All they all mixed race? Were is Murder Krew and Dago Wrecking Krew from?
About HKLocos...they used to claim SSD cause they had a lot of heads in Chula Vista too. They also had heads in Spring Valley, National City, and Paradise Hills. I'm not sure were they started...but they were like most those other SD tagbanging gangs. They had heads all over-not just in one neighborhood. SDK, FK, RTS, TKO, FBC,etc....these crews all had (or have) heads and subclicks in different parts of San Diego.
...and what is the diffrence between SESDLS and SELKS? Some homie said that SELKS is a full blown 13 gang, while SESDLS is a wanna be taggbanger crew. Is that true? I remember SELKS in the 90's but I just started seeing SESDLS hitups recently.
Whatever happened to "GDP" (GET DOWN POSSE)? or I think they might have changed the name to "EAST DIEGO LOKOTES" or something to that effect
whats with all those new black gangs poppin up in the east side?
are they legit? or are they wanna bes?
YBD
FWI
Black Mob
you always here of LA gangs setting uo shop in other states.
here are a few from San Diego that have set up in other states-
Logan Heights 13-Denver, Colorado
Varrio Chula Vista-Arizona in the Phoenix area
Sherman 27st-Washington
Logan supposedly has a clicka up in Los Angeles too.
OTNC was supposedly tring to set up shop in North Las Vegas.
There's a "Chula Vista Gang" in corpus Cristi Texas, but they are named after the Chula Vista neighborhood there.
anyone know of any others?
check out this wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_San_Diego_County_Gangs
you know somw fools are going to vandalize it! thats a tight list!! it looks like it is still being edited.
there's some old varrios on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_San_Diego_County_Gangs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List
_of_San_Diego_County_Gangs
heres the full address
rest in peace to my father B-BOB and the homies WIZARD,DIABLO,SILENT,SMILEY,AND WHAT UP TO MY PRIMOS AND HOMIES THAT ARE LOCKED UP LIL WITO TURTLE MENACE DAFFYLOC SERIO2 CARTOON LIL TOONS
MARKET STREET GANG TILL WE DIE WE AINT DEAD YET FUCK THOSE FOOS WHO SAID WE ARE. MKTLS VMLSX3
LW's pages are sick.
Here's some 13 hoods I would like to see pages on:
Otay 13
Varrio Chula Vista
Imperial
Del Sol
Sidro
Logan 30TA
Shelltown 38
Shelltown Gamma
Varrio Market ST Locos
Linda Vista 13
Varrio Encanto
Wop Town
SE Lokos
Varrio Pozole
all these gangs got mad history..even SELKS (for being suck a newer gang).
And homie from MKT...your varrio ain't close to being dead. Everyone on tha streets and in the pinta know that Market still has Chollas View and Mount Hope on lock. It's just that a lot of their heads are locked up now.
That's a continuous thing in SD. A gang will get big and out of control. And tha PD will break 'em up. Then their rivals start getting big and out of control...and then PD goes for them. Pretty soon heads get out, and new recruits start banging...and the cycle starts all over again.
Look at what happened to SELKS in the late 90's. They were deep as fuck..then they got broken up...but they are known in the streets and la pinta still. The same happend to Otay for a while. They were deep, they got broken up, but now they are comming back. VCV just got broken up hardcore by PD..so their hood has been quiet. OTNC too. They got broken up by the injuction. But they wil be back. It's all part of the street cycle.
I got family from MKT from way back in the days. Two uncles who banged MKT in the early 60's (both dead). VMarket goes back to the 50's!!
IDM"deadend boys click
--you seem to know alot, who is this?
hit me up.
yea, the older homies started out from ES"BDB - but that didnt last long because we were from the SOUTH.
some UBS heads lived off Palomar...some IDM heads lived off Hilltop"Melrose"4th avenue, but no one claimed CV as our neighborhood-we were always reppin the SouthSide (south of Main street)
LSL was a click started up by the little homies - but it didnt last long, they were courted into FCW,Clarence or didnt bang anymore (although some heads are now reppin' IRIS AVENUE)
as far as the others goe, no other islander gang put it down like we did in the south.
IDM"FCW" INSANE FAMILY.
Whats funny is that I see a lot of people that (at one time) we would never have gotten along - now that were all older, it's all love. SD - fuck the rest!
YOGGIE"SICC"
IDM"FCW" 19. INSANE FAMILY .19
LSL?!
That's crazy....I remember that some kid that I met in Palm City, by Sunnyslope, back in 89 got beat down twice...once by LSL, cause he got jumped in...and once by his old man...cause he found out his boy got jumped into a gang. he was all lumped up!
He was a little pinoy brother. Man...maybe 12 or 13...but he had attitude!
I though he said "LSL," but for 15 years homies have been telling me that there was no LSL.
I knew that click existed at some point. I thought I was going crazy about that.
What did LSL stand for?
I've been back and forth from LA for a while (mostly in LA). Now there are new gangs here. Back in the day it was only VCV and Otay in Chula Vista. Brandywine was a joke...but now they seem legit. SSD only had Sidro, Del Sol, Nestor, Diablos, Imperial, and FCW.
I remember CPMob. They used to bang but they died off quick (from '88 to'92). Most those guys were related somehow. I remember that they used to shoot a lot..and that there was a huge samoan that used to clean house during rumbles.i think they started off as a party crew..but they started banging. i think they used to be cool with some Southeast blood gangs..and i think South Side Mob too...The funny thing is...it was around the time that Cypress Hill got popular, and all those fools from CPMob dressed exactly like B-Real and Sen Dog.
Back then gangbanging was on another level in SD! SD county saw the highest number of homicides that it ever had..all because it was the crack hey day! CV, SSD, and NC were full of eses. All these people that trip on the "gang problem" that SD has now, don't realize that we got it good these days. SESD was literally like a warzone from Logan all the way to Skyline. AK's, AR's, MAC10's! Nightly drivebys in Lincoln, Mountain View, Logan, Emerald, Chollas, Skyline....Cop were getting killed. Syndo and 40's had the crack trade on lock. Logan, Sherman, Market and 38 were really all going at it hardcore then too. Way more than they do now. It was always 38 and Sherman together vs. everybody else. Sherman and Market were mad deep back then. They probably were as big, or maybe bigger, then Logan.
Gamma was beefin hardcore with OTNC then. That Shell station at National City BLVD and Division was off limits for anybody at night!
OTNC, Otay, Sidro had mad heads! DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP as fuck! And all three of those gangs pretty much ruled the South Bay then. SELKS started kicking up dust then too.
It was like gangsterism was "in" back then. And if you didn't click up...you were a nobody.
One thing I love about SD. There is a lot more racial harmony here than in LA. It's nice to hear that blacks and Mexicans get along in Southeast, and Pinoys and Mexicans get along in the South Bay.
In LA everybody hates everybody.
True on that with the gangbanging shit on lock back in the mid 80's to mid 90's. Shit was crack-the-fuck-in!
I remember when the trolleys were hot with rumbles, and the Bloods and Crips deep as fuck at Trolley stops, and how Euclid Trolley station was a fucken war zone. And that "don't get caught slippin'" policy was in full muthafucken effect! Dude, do you fools remember Fam Bam back in the day how that shit used to have shootings in the fucken parking lot! Or how before 9/11 and all the terrorsit bullshit we would roll deep as fuck to TJ and get our fade and club on. Member all the LA boys would be in Club Caves, and El Toro was the spot. All those fucken rumbles on Avenida. Man, shit was crackin back then. I remember seeing taggers get their rumble on too. oh man, and those party Crew hynas like ND (Naughty Desires) and PMS (Perpetual eMotionS) were down as fuck to kick it and party. Man you are right, so many lilttle clicks have sprung up and shit has changed. No leadership in the streets anymore and a bunch of wreckless punks busting straps and killing innocents. What happened to seeing a clean one on one with no filero? I'd rather take the good ass kicking and broken cheek bone than to shank some fool and get tossed into the pokey for 15. Anyway, the good old days. Let's reminisce and bring back the 64 once MICKEYS!!!!
This is supposed to be a Mexican gang. What gang is this?
SAN DIEGO -- A five-month multi-agency investigation targeting a southeast San Diego street gang culminated Friday in the capture of 21 criminal suspects, including a young man allegedly responsible for two killings that went unsolved for months.
San Diego police and agents from state and federal agencies arrested the alleged gang members while serving warrants at various locations in the city early Friday morning, officials said.
During the sunrise raids, the personnel also uncovered a marijuana-growing operation in a residential garage and seized 14 guns, ammunition and a bulletproof vest, according to police.
The effort, which began last December, had already resulted in 10 arrests before Friday morning's sweep, authorities said.
SDPD Chief William Lansdowne described members of the gang -- which claims as its turf neighborhoods in Chollas View, Emerald Hills, Lincoln Park and Valencia Park -- as "a cancer to the society that they live in."
"They're a danger to the city of San Diego," Lansdowne told reporters in front of downtown police headquarters.
^^^^^^^^^^
The bust was on SE Lokos
South East Locos in the news!!!
I always trip on the media here in SD. That murder in Chula Vista the other day was portrayed in the media as a random road rage type homicide.
"The 18-year-old Chula Vista resident was walking on Hilltop Drive, near Kingswood Drive, just before 3 p.m. with two other men when a man in a sports car, possibly a Mitsubishi, confronted them, police spokesman Bernard Gonzales said. At some point, the man in the car pulled out a handgun and fired at the group, Gonzales said. "
"Police had not established a motive. They said it appeared that the man and the group did not know each other. "
You know that was straight gang related! I saw that memorial...and the victim was an ese from Otay. I used to see him around the hood.
The crazy thing was that the shooting happened in broad daylight, in the middle of a busy intersection (school was getting out at Castle Park High), and in front of a crowded liquor store, with loads of witnesses everywhere! Some homeboy emptied a clip into a crowd of three other homeboys-at the same time that junior high and high school kids were walking by! That's just plain reckless. That's just as bad as a drive by. That homeboy needs to get lumped up hard when he hits the main line. If he does hit the main line, after all, the homicide was in CV...and it seems like CVPD never solves its homicide cases. At least cases that “they have not established a motive for,” or cases which “men in the group did not know each other.”
In SD County it seems like SDPD is always downplaying gang warfare, and CVPD is always trying to deny or cover up gang warfare. At least NCPD straight up admits there is a problem to the media.
It's kind of funny...what would make you more nervous?
1). PD and the media telling us: “A gang member shot and killed another gang member.”
-or-
2). PD and the media telling us: “A man is driving around town and confronting people that he does not know. Then he shoots them.
I opt for #1! I'd rather know that the parties involved were somehow related to each other (in this case, gang related). That way I know the shooting wasn't random.
For decades SDPD and CVPD have been trying to sugarcoat or cover up the gang problems in their areas (more so CVPD). To completely deny it, or even to downplay it, gives those of us that have to deal with it no peace of mind. It's kind of like were left out in the cold. like no one gives a fuck about our communities in Southeast and the South Bay.
Look at that Bird Rock Bandit fiasco!
This is what I learned about that: If you’re rich and white, you’re all right. But if you poor, black or brown, get the fuck out of town! In San Diego the good ‘old Boy system is still in full effect.
Check this out:
A group a affluent men (or boys) in a upper class, predominately white neighborhood hang out as group, and the group has a moniker (Bird Rock Bandits). This group can lay claim to specific turf (Bird Rock Beach, Windandsea, etc.) and use their status to intimidate people. They physically assault people, and kill someone. This group will not be called a gang in court, and they will not get gang enhancement charges.
That’s because “What, are you crazy!?!? There are no gangs in La Jolla! These kids are rich and they are predominately white. They were just having some fun, and it kind of got out of hand.”
A group of poor men in a low income neighborhood hangout as a group, and the group has a moniker (Varrio Loco Otay). That group can lay claim to a specific turf (Otay, Castle Park, etc.) and use their status to intimidate people. They physically assault people, and kill people. But members of this group will be called a gang in the courtroom, and they will get gang enhancement charges.
That’s because “No one gives a fuck about your neighborhood. Your hood is poor, and all of the people that come out of there are criminals.”
And to VLSOtay…sorry about your homie Pleyto that you lost this week. I use to see him around the neighborhood. I also used to see Gizmo (RIP) and Shreck (RIP) around the hood too. Gizmo was a real cool vato.
Now see that shit! That right there is what the fuck I am talking about. REAL SHIT. The last two posts on here really meant something. Let me comment on those two.
First off, when was the SE LOCOS thing in the news?
Secondly, homeboy your post could not be any more clearer. Let me lift off of retired SDPD Detective Felix Aguirre's blog and the crazy fucken thing is, the police echo the SAME SENTIMENT as those of us in the calles. I couldn't fucken believe that the Bird Rock Bitches did not get the MANDATORY 10 year gang enhancement. WTF? Not only that, but with the fucken MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE That PROVED they were a gang! Videos, pictures, witnesses, etc. Dog, they had a spot at bird rock that was tagged up with their shit! I don't care what the fuck people say, A gang is a gang, is a gang. You feel me?
From SDPD Felix, Check this out:
In the last year, Riverside California agencies have been focusing on a group of former High School athletes who started a "social club" called The Fight Club. Yes, they were heavily influenced by the movie with the same name. As it turns out, key members of this social club that was created by at least five former members of the high school football team, were from well to do and wealthy families. We're talking about millionare-type families.
The football players were found to be heavy steriod users and were able to influence several individuals to join the club. They wore "FC" insignias on their clothing, had a cup trophy and other paraphernalia related to this group's name. A total of 12 kids were eventually identified with several others in the periphery.
The group would go to social gatherings, initiate physical confrontations with attendees and literally beat them down into unconsciousness. While at several of these social gatherings, they took the opportunity to "case" the residence for a return trip to do a residential burglary or robbery. They delved in armed robberies, auto theft, residential and commercial burglaries, arson and a host of other felony crimes.
Of course, family members and many in the community refused to accept the fact that these "good kids" could become involved in this type of behavior. Worse yet, they refused to admit this type of activity was "gang-related." However, the law is clear. Once a group of three or more individuals become involved in felonious criminal conduct, individually or collectively to further the existence of the group, it is a gang. After many court challenges by very expensive attorneys, some brought from Los Angeles to defend these thugs, most had already agreed to plea bargains in lieu of monstrous prison sentences.
Ladies and gentlemen, I don't care if we're dealing with black, Hispanic, White, Asian or any other ethnic group or kids from the inner city or suburbs all are capable of involvement in criminal activity which may be labeled as "gang-related." Remember, the law enforcement community and the courts determine what a gang member is or what a gang is. If the individual or group fits this mold, then it's a gang, even if the individual or group will not admit it. Furthermore, if a court finds a crime to be gang-related, the individual involved could get all the gang enhancements that go with it. This may add 10, 20, 30 or more years to one's prison sentence.
As parents, we must be informed. Don't make excuses for criminal behavior. Worse yet, don't make excuses for gang-related behavior. If your child is involved or toying with it.... confront it immediately or risk losing your child to the gang, to prison or death.
the bust wasnt just on se lks and it really doesnt say se lks it says a bust in se sd , not only that they included the san marcos raid too and in total of those raids they picked up an x amount of guns drugs ect
It was on SELKS (and maybe some others). Another news site reported the gang's name as 'Southeast Locos."
Let's not forget that SELKS had homies posted in North County, El Cajon, and Chula Vista.
The busts were in SELKS SE hood (lincoln, emerald, valencia, chollas), in San Marcos, and Chula Vista. The SELKS bust in the late 90's happened almost simutaneously in SESD, Chula Vista, and El Cajon. That bust was brought on by multiple homicides/assaults and gun trafficking by SESD and Chula Vista heads. It's almost like history is repeating itself.
Your right though, there could have been other gangs involved. maybe it's just that SELKS had the most members involved.
SE LoKoS used to operate pretty much county wide in the late 90's. the most well now clicks were the OG SESD click, and the one in Chula Vista. I think that the ECounty and Ncounty click/individuals were relocated gangsters from SESD and CV that set up shop.
The CV click might be trying to make a comeback. They were pretty much shutdown in the late 90's during the first set of raids on them.
Courtesy of nbcsandiego.com....Mentions Southeast Lokos ("Southeast Locos" in the article) by name.
Busting a Gang in Just One Day
By GENE CUBBISON and R. STICKNEY
Updated 6:18 AM PDT, Sat, May 2, 2009
Related Topics: Anthony Zendejas
Charges have been filed against 10 of those arrested. Six face murder charges and could be sentenced to life in prison.
It sounds straight out of a Hollywood western: In one day, at dawn, the “good guys” nab 30 men and one woman off the streets, putting them away for past killings and robberies. Even the name of the operation could double as a movie title: “Operation Stampede.”
A major crackdown on a San Diego street gang 'rolled up' nearly two dozen suspects.
Law enforcement officers from a number of agencies around San Diego County worked together Friday to served search warrants in the early hours of the morning.
They arrested nearly two dozen gang members -- some suspected in five homicides – after a five-month investigation focusing on one gang in the Southeastern section of San Diego.
Besides murder, authorities say those crimes involved assaults, robberies, drug dealing and gun-running.
The suspects arrested today join nine others already taken into custody. Three more are still at large.
One of them, Anthony Zendejas, was booked in connection with the fatal shooting of 14-year-old Javier Quiroz, who was riding his bike in Colina Park in August, 2007.
Zendejas is also accused of gunning down a 21-year-old man and wounding two women in front of an Imperial Avenue liquor store.
The suspects are said to be part of the 'Southeast Locos' gang that operated from Highway 94 to Imperial Ave from 60th street to the I-805/Euclid Avenue area. More than half the membership is now behind bars.
“The 31 people arrested today won’t be part of that gang for the next few years, and possibly for the rest of their lives,” said Lt. Andy Mills with the SDPD Street Gangs Unit.
Authorities don't usually identify gangs by name, so as not to give them notoriety. However, they made an exception with this one, to send a message to the 90-odd others in town.
"If you commit violent crimes in the city, the San Diego Police Department and its partners will come after you with everything we have. And as a result, you can see that the Southeast Locos is not nearly what it once was. And will continue to be hurt for many years," said Mills.
“This investigation is not over. We will continue to relentlessly pursue those who are violent in this city. That is our mandate and we will continue to do that,” said Mills.
Fourteen firearms were seized today alone bringing the total to nearly four dozen confiscated or bought by undercover agents in the course of the investigation.
Charges have been filed against 10 of those arrested. Six face murder charges and could be sentenced to life in prison.
And here's another SESDLS/SELKS question...
They aren't the same thing right?
Isn't SESDLS a tagging clicka, and SELKS a 13 gang?
Que varrios have a representation in the neighborhoods de stockton, southcrest, mountain view, lincoln park, valencia park, emerald hills and skyline? There's a lot of bro's that run in those calles i know, lp's, hatfieldz, brims, emeralds, lil afrika, east side pirus and so on, but i'm talking about what varrios stake claim and have a piece of those neighborhoods?
On a side note, what are IMPX3 borders? And what northern street(s) boundaries would you say Del Sol goes up to?
"Que varrios have a representation in the neighborhoods de stockton, southcrest, mountain view, lincoln park, valencia park, emerald hills and skyline? There's a lot of bro's that run in those calles i know, lp's, hatfieldz, brims, emeralds, lil afrika, east side pirus and so on, but i'm talking about what varrios stake claim and have a piece of those neighborhoods?
On a side note, what are IMPX3 borders? And what northern street(s) boundaries would you say Del Sol goes up to?"
Stockton-32nd Street SKA (inactive?), Sherman on the west edge
Southcrest=Shelltoen 38 and Shelltown Gamma
Mountain View- Shelltown 38, mountain Veiw 73LS on the north part, and SE Lokos on the east part
Lincoln Park, Valencia Park, emerald Hills-SE Lokos
Skyline-Lomita 70s on the east part, Varrio Encanto 69LS on the west part
IMPX3 is pretty much the same as Imperial Beach city limits (15th/14th Street to the beach. They have homies scattered throughout the city in different clicks (Raskols-RKS, Locotes-LTS, Dukes-DKS, and the all female Chikas-CKS). I think most of the homies live west of 13th, and north of Palm Avenue though.
Del Sol used to be from Beyer BLVD to 805, and 905 to Palm Avenue. But now I think they also claim the streets in between the Otay Valley and Palm Avenue (Lindbergh/Chanute/Murrieta, ect..). Their hood does not reach the city limits of Chula Vista. that's were Otay 13 picks up. From the North edge of the Otay River, to Palomar Street, and Broadway to 805.
Back in they day you used to be able to see loads of gangsters from Otay hike up to Otay Mesa into Del Sols turf to do battle.
There's a new gang in Del Sol's hood called Picador BLVD Locos (PBLS). Not sure how legit they are though. Don't know if they get along with DS.
What about CALS? Where is their hood? I always see hitups on Palm between 805 and Picador. Are they DS confederates? Or are they like PBLS (basically surrounded by DS). And what about SSDX3? where is their hood at? I always assumed it was in Egger Highlands, since you "South San Diego" right there on maps.
MARKET STREET GANG,WAT UP TO DA HOMIES FRM LOMITA VILLAGE & CLAIREMONT
FUCK LECHEROS & CACA & ESPANTO.
MARKET STREET 45th LOKOS
WHERE THE STORY AT 4 US
Little Market Boy. Why must you be so fucken ignorant. You know what happens 15 years from now right? All your homeboys will be from the same Varrios you dissed. You know how I know? Because I am from Logan. My goos Homeboys are OG Loco (Aud) from Eside and RIP B-Bob from Market. Shit changes homeboy. Oh, and don't let me forget my dogs Speedy from Encanto and Spooky. What up Joker working at JITB! So now what joven. Shit changes. We already told you. Respect the site nd leave youe net banging ass on myspace.
and if you want your historia so fucken badly why don't you take the time to look it up if you are so down for your hood? Do you know how Market started? I do. You were all part of another hood to begin with. I can spit it, but I will leave that shit up to you. If you doubt me joven I have schooled fools on here on the history of Shelltown, Logan, and with help from others Sherman. So go ahead cabeson, have at it.
can someone list out the SD chicano mrappers and theor hoods.
The only ones I know are:
Mr. Shadow-Wop Town
Knightowl-Wop Town
Lil Rob-Eden Gardens
Young Sick-Shelltown 38
Dido Brown-Lomita 70
Lil Solo and Terms-Otay 13
Mr. Lil One-Sherman 27
OG Spanish Fly-OTNC
QUEENIE-Sidro/Tijuas (doens't claim though)
Were are these Dago rappers from:
Silencer
Royal T
Mr. Sancho
Ms. Sancha
Lil Sancho
Dyablo
Aztec Tribe
Califa Thugs
Dang!!! They got the whole Sancho family rappin!
Anyone now if the Otay Locos gang in Tijuas is related to Otay 13 here in Chula Vista?
And what is SSVX3 I'm seeing that in CV and San Ysidro.
SSV=South Side Vandals...taggers...but i don't think they are X3
I like that - leave the net banging to other sites.
i agree.
as far as market - school us anyways - i'm not from market, but would love to learn some history.
as will be too.
gracias carnale.
Don't know much of anything about V MARKET myself, so personalmente i welcome any good clecha on the subject.
In regards to VLO in Tijuas, where are they at? I bet they do have some ties, at least some start up connections. Tj has all kinds of varrios that were started up by vatos from Califas. SHERMAN was one of those varrios that had cliques (vatos setting up camp) all over the town. They use to have a SHERMAN in Lomas Infonavit and another SHERMAN in La Guerrero and another in La colonia Obrera. LOGAN also has a representation en La colonia Del Rio and LOMAS 26 has some vatos down in-between Zona Del Rio and La Revo (don't know what that neighborhood is called) but they have it all tagged up with LM26 placasos.
Market does need a page. From What i have been told Logan, Sherman, and Market are the three OG SESD chicano street gangs after the Los Osos/Cherries/Lobos era. All three are supposed to have started in the late 50's as Varrio Sherman, Varrio Logan, Varrio Market (Barrio/Varrio). I interested in larning more.
I don't know if it is VLO..or if they have their own "Otay Locos." I've see "Tijuana Otay Locos MOD3" and "Los Tijuas 13 Otay Locos" tags in TJ-but i can't say where...i don't know my way around Tijuas. Don't know if VLO kickstarted that or not.
They also put "TJ13OLS" or just "OLS"
By the way, I do have a TOPIC for Los Varrios de Tijuas dated 11/14/05 on these here Blog Pages. I had it up for a while but I took it down trying to keep this site focused on Chicano Varrios, but if you would like to read it, I can bring it back up. I have to tweek it a little but I can have that done in no time. So you vatos let me know if you're interested in reading the story. One thing to keep in mind is that the times I wrote about those Tj Varrios are from the later 1970s and early 1980s, sodon't expect the same scene to be around today 'cause it has all changed. There are however some Varrios from that era that remain to this present day. Anyhows, let me know if you're all interested.
They might be some different Otay Locos then, because Tj has a sector called Mesa de Otay (Otay Mesa) and that's a huge ass chunk of terreno up there bordering the U.S. Otay Mesa (East/Upper Otay Mesa). They have all kinds of neighborhoods in that Otay sector.
i know this is the san diego page...but does anyone know of the gangs in imperial county?
i've seen SLY13 which is Seely 13
Does Imperial County ride in the IE car?
It just popped into my head, there's a OPILERA 03 Locos, but I beleive they hit up OPI03Ls and they're over in the GRUPO MEXICO section of Tj, way out there in the boonies.
Imperial Valley to the best of my knowledge do not claim I.E.. They are down there in the Lower Desert. A ton of Varrios exist down there. I was actually thinking of starting up a Blog Page dedicated to the Lower Desert and Cochela Valley Varrios.
Orale! Thanks LW. You should start up a page. i'm sure those vatos want to rep here too.
..and yea...that Otay Locos (OLS) varrio in Tijuas is in the Mesa de Otay section.
HEY LOGAN MY TIO SLEEPY FROM MARKET TOLD ME MARKET USED TO BE A PART OF EAST SIDE BUT BROKE OFF BECUZ THEY HAD A PEDO WHAT DO YOU THINK
ay foo wats your name dog my dad was b-bob frm market and i noe sleepy 2
"""Questions about West San Diego...
When I was a youngster, there was only Wop Town, OTSD, Linda Vista 13,and Mission Bay. Now there is a bunch of stuff! I see a lot of tags around WS.
Who is legit, and who are the busters out of these?-
LMK13
WSMK13
WSBR
WSFK
West Side Lil Rascals
WSSD13
Midway Locos
TVS
Birdland Mob (mexican?)"""
LMK=Luni Mob Klicka..not 13ce...tagbangers
WSMK=never heard of them
WSBR=Mission Bay Bay Riders..rep Varrio Mission Bay now
WS Lil rascals=wanna be's..dead now?
WSSD13=inactive now
Midway locos..never heard of
TVS=Tunaville Soldiers...inactive now
Birdland Mob=inactive? mixed race set
I wouldnt consider birdland a validated set.
What the hell is Birdland all about? Isn't that were juvenile hall is at?
And...can some Eastsider tell me if this is true...
Some veterano from Logan 30 told me that there was a ESD13 Playboys click back in the day.
He said that in the early 80's ESD had Nightowls (ESD NO) and Dukes (ESD DKS). He said that there was a gang in Eastside that had whites, chicanos, and blacks, and they went by Playboys Incorporated (PBI). He said PBI split up, and the blacks made East Dago Mob Crips. The Chicanos clicked up with ESD and the new clicka was called Playboys (ESD PBS). The homie from Logan said the playboys click died off in the late 80's.
He said he knew this because he had a cousin in ESD Playboys.
Is it true that the gang ESD goes back to the 1940's?
And what about City Heights 13? (CH13, CHTS13)
No one ever mentions them. They were around before CH Juniors. They died off in the 90's. ehn did CHTS13 come up?
Playboy International, yeah I heard of them before too. Weren't they right around the Four Courners of Death area? I have a little info somewhere in my folders about them. If I dig it up, I'll post it up.
By the way, fuckin placas be cracking down all over South East lately que no? Breaking down doors and shit.. taking computers y toda la cosa.. What are they going after? Check and Credit Card fraud.. stolen identity and all that? But nevermind that.. I really don't like to get into that type of conversations on the Blog.
Anyways, Im putting together a Dedicated Blog Page for Shell Town.. that's what I been working on these days.. trying to collect a little more before I paste it up.. all you vatos been cool with your input, so if you got any addtinional feedback, I'll apreciate it.. anyhows, stay tune.. Shell Town page coming up soon!
Orale! Gettin some conchero history up.
Hey LW..ask some older heads about ST 36 Street and ST Delta Boys (AKA 43Delta). Those sets went inactive in the 80's.
Again..thanks for puttin' our varrios on your pages.
And for all the youngsters...keep the netbanging off the paginas. We should all just use these pages to learn..and for th occasional shoutouts.
And peace to all my Islander, Somali, black, white, Native, and Asian brothers. We all get down for our hoods.
Dago love from Oside to the border!
I hear that bout the placas in SE! They have all over CV too! It looks like their rounding up eses from a well know gang here. They might be trying to quell an upcomming war between two South Bay heavy hitters. And you two varrios keep us civilians out of it. I don't want to have to play duck and run for the next coulple of months. Don't let your homies with the crossed eyes handle any cuetes!
You are correct about the ESD Playboys. They also had hynas that went by PGI (Play Girls Inc.). They were mainly at Hoover high. My sister was in it back in the 80's. You are 100 % correct that it split into the EDM/ESD factions. Actually East Dago Mob was a collective of Crips, bloods and neutral negros before it took on the full Crip Handle. I remember they used to rock white flags/bandanas. I used to live by the homie Jay Dog from there. Yup, surely ESD did have a Nite Owls set. My old neighbor was a vato named Cowboy from there. They also had two very short lived clicks in the 90's that went by the Bandits and Gatos, which both were consumed by the Rascals. I just read in the U/T that the Feds and Juras hit the negros of Lincoln Park Bloods really hard. Talk about some money making hustling motherfuckers, those negros realyl are bonofied ballers. They had a bank scam where they milked the Navy Credit Union for almost 1/2 a million, and then they popped a couple vatos from there a couple weeks ago in the mortgage strawbuying ring that netted 11 Million. That is some real mobster gangster shit! I also knew a vato named School Yard from LP back in the early 90's that moved to Atlanta and realy fucking blew up on the traficante crack trade. Another certified millionaire hustler. That gang right there does it big. And we don't even need to mention Mitchy Slick, who owns a hip hop store in Vegas as well as an apartment complex. Ballin.
you a fan?
A fan? look smart ass, let me see you pull some shit out of your ass like that, let alone do something besides day dreaming about it. you can call it what you want, but it is what it is. You didn't see me with pom poms and saying that the set was a-ok or rooting for those vatos, so if you want to crack jokes go head'. I got tough skin cabrona. Let me see you milk out 1/2 a mill from the side of your nalgas. I wouldn't be a fan, but I know a few hynas that would lick the hairs of your ass crack if you flossed that kind of fettucini. it isn't the money making that is at hand, becuase there is someone from every set that hustles, but besides the BIG HOMIES there are not that many pulling wooleys over the Feds like that. It was short lived and greed got the best (doesn't it always?), but to see gangsters pull off licks and not hit a tienda for $50 bucks and get 5 upstate is pretty fucking rare, no matter who you are. So go ahead, get your shits and giggles. And until we hear about some other hood doing it BIG like that they get their props. Fuck a 500 dollar transa. That shit is LAUNDERING. go and google straw buyers and do some research to see how entrenched of a network you have to be in to funnel 11 million dollars idiota.
Man I agree on that. Lincoln had their shit down with those scams. Their older heads are always into something big.
SERIO EY LINCOLN HAD BEEN DOING IT BIG TIMEFOR REEL HOLMES GOOD COMEBACK
no one is disputing what they did - but the way it was written, does sound like you have green pom poms and green chearleadinig uniform on.
lets keep the subject on learning about the varrios in SD - or maybe LW can make a section for the blacks.
No disrespect to anyone or any race- but lets stay focused and on point.
also- my comment about the green uniform and pompoms, dont read into that ese- no one is calling you out. im telling you, no disresepct intended, but read what you wrote (when i saw that vatos comment about you being a fan- i had to agree with him)
it's all good though, lets keep the maturity level up carnale!
Agreed. No hay pedo ese. But my response was to the vato that asked about the raids in SE, so I had to get on topic and speak on it. Its all good homes. rest in Peace to the little homey "P" from LH30ta that was killed last night right there on 30th. got shot twice in the head. Vato was only 20.
much respect ese
if I offended you- lo siento homes.
as far as your homie gettin shot- por que- what happened?
Question about relations between the blacks and the surenos in San Diego...Do the Crips and vatos get along? I notice the west coast crip hood crosses into Logan and Sherman and Golden Heights what are the relations like between the Crips and the carnales
Arrest made in Logan Heights shooting
A 20-year-old man believed by police to have been the driver of a car used in the fatal shooting of an 18-year-old man Monday in Logan Heights is in custody this afternoon and investigators are looking for more suspects, according to San Diego homicide detectives.
David S. Flores was arrested about three miles from where Martin Omar de la Torre was shot to death on South 30th Street, according to information released by homicide Lt. Terry McManus.
Flores was at the wheel of a green Honda seen leaving the area of the shooting shortly before 6:15 p.m. Monday. He was with the vehicle when police took him into custody near 39th and Gamma streets, McManus said.
Detectives are still trying to identify two other people seen in the four-door Honda when the shooting took place.
The California Highway Patrol is also investigating whether the trio were involved in a shooting on state Route 94 about 30 minutes before the slaying in Logan Heights. No injuries were reported in that shooting.
Flores remains held without bail at the county jail on suspicion of murder.
Now, I am no rocket scientist, but the guy was arrested in Shelltown, and his victim was a Logan boy. We can all do the math on this one.
i saw some of these old //'s...i don't know if they have been answered.
"whats southeast sd's main big hood?
whats eastside sd's main hood?
whats southside sd's main hood?
whats westside sd's main hood?
whats upper county sd's main hood?
whats east county sd's main hood ?"
"Main hoods" as in nukbers of members? #'s seem to change so quickly now. But right now I would say:
WS- Linda Vista 13
ES- ESD 13
SE- Logan 30 or Shelltown 38
SB- Otay 13
EC-do't know, but probably one of the El Cajon gangs
UC- V Posole or Center Street Locos
another oldie...
"any info on "greenlight" or "taxfree" gangs tho?
im sure its a tuff one to answer cuz im sure most of the vatos down here dont really kno too much about what that means, ya kno?"
Whaaaaaaaaaat. All the vatos down here know what that means. We don't have any "tax free gangs" here in Dago.
The closest thing to a green light gang down here is the Mongols (if they still are up for open season).
Some SD hoods put individual green lights out on other hoods (just like anywhere else), but right now there are no gangs down here that are on the "big list."
Back in the day there were a couple SD of sets that were on the "Big List." But they ride in the Sur car, and pay their taxes now.
another oldie..
"i heard that 32nd street wanted nothing from logan so they where the luckies. and no 32nd isnt around any more"
the homie from 30TA who posts on here might be able to shed some light on this... but Logan Luckies (LHTS LKS) were AKA 26th Street Luckies. They weren't from 32nd Street. The Luckies were active in the 70's and early 80's-but I think Red Steps shut them down (the much older Red Steps gang and Luckies started beefin for some reason (turf encroachment?).
Logan 32nd Street was also active in the 70's and 80's-but they died off. They were around 32nd and Oceanview.
Someone here stated that their grandpa was a 32nd streeter from the 1940's. If he was, It was a completley seperate gang that had no connections to the Logan C32LS of the 1970's/1980's.
This is might be wrong, but I was told the fist gang that actually claimed "Logan," was just Varrio Logan (AKA V Logan HTS). That was when Osos/Lobos/Cherries merged together in the 1950's). Then The next generation of Varrio Logan named themselves the "Red Steps" in the 1960's. Then Logan 30th Street came along as an independent gang in the early 1970s (late 60's?).
After 30th Street, Logan 26th Luckies , Logan 32, and Logan 35 came and went through the 1970's/early 80's.
I'm not sure when Logan 13 and Logan 33 came up (1980's?).
"Someone here stated that their grandpa was a 32nd streeter from the 1940's. If he was, It was a completley seperate gang that had no connections to the Logan C32LS of the 1970's/1980's."
that was me. it has since been cleared up, he was from Logan and he was a "little pachuco hoodlum"[thats what my nana says] in like the mid to late 40s. what exact gang he was from, idk.
thats most of what i know about that for now.
Question about relations between the blacks and the surenos in San Diego...Do the Crips and vatos get along? I notice the west coast crip hood crosses into Logan and Sherman and Golden Heights what are the relations like between the Crips and the carnales
SExSFA- STILL FUCKING AROUND (BIG KREW)
SExNSB- NEVER STOP BALLIN (KREW)
SExWK- WICKED KLOWNS (CLICK)
SExSOK- STOMPIN ON KEXSEROS (CLICK)
SExTNS- TRUST NO SOUL (GANG)
SExOEK- ONE EVIL KLOW (ON GREEN LIGHT)FUCKEM
SEX3LKS- IMPERIAL AVE LOKOS (GANG)
SExTB- THE BLOCK (KREW)
SET- SOUTHEAST TROOPS (CLICK)
SExUF- (KREW)
SExNVS (TAGGING KREW)
SExBKS- BOBMING KRAZY STYLE (TAGGING KREW)
SExUT- UN TOUCHABLE (TAGGING KREW)
SExJBK- J BLOCK (CLICK)
SExCLB- CRAZY LATIN BOYS (CLICK) FUCKEM
SExBAS- BITCHEXS AINT SHIT (GANG)
SExRK- RAT KILLAS (GANG)
SExKN- KLOWN NATION (GANG)
SExBAP- BROWN AND PROUD (CLICK)
SExKP- KRAZY PAYASOS (CLICK)
SExALS- ANOTHER LOGAN SOLDIER (CLICK) (not LOGAN)
SEK- SOUTHEAST KINGS (CLICK)
whats the difference between a gang a click &a crew?
can we get intricate? cuz i thought BAS was like a crew or a click or something, same with KN..
Did KN used to hit up under Kriminal Nation? I remeber back in the 90's seeing SEKN "Southeast Kriminal Nation."
What about the Southeast Malas? I heard that they are the only all female gang in San Diego. What neighborhood are they from?
With most of those SESD and SSD, it's like splitting hairs calling one a crew, clicka, or a gang.
The way most tagging crews act now...they might as well be labled as gangs.
What about these? Are they all just taggers-or bangers. What do the initials stand for (I know that SS TKBS does not stand for South Side TaKo BenderS...)
SS TKBS
SS SBI
SS SAB
SS SDK
SS FK
SS BTS
SS NMLS
SS HLK
SS MEK
SS BTC
SS 69LS
SSLS-is this the same as SSD13????
SS TKBS-Too Krazy Boys (tagbangers)
SS SBI-South Bay Insane (tagbangers?)
SS SAB-Sunset Avenue Boys(tagbangers)
SS SDK-Still Droppin Klowns (tagbangers, also in ESSD)
SS FK-Fuck Klowns (tagbangers, also in ESSD and WSSD)
SS BTC-Born Too Crazy (tagbangers)
SS NMLS-No Mercy Locos (tagbangers)
SS HLK-High Life Klicka (taggers)
SS BTC-Border Town Clicka (tagbangers)
TKBS-Too Krazy Boys from Chula Vista
SBI-South Bay Insane from Chula Vista and SSD
SAB-Sunset Avenue Boys-from SSD (Nestor)
SS SDK-from Chula Vista and SSD
SS FK-from Chula Vista and SSD
SS BTC-Born Too Crazy-from Chula Vista
SS NMLS-from Chula Vista and SSD
SS HLK-from Chula Vista
SS BTC-Border Town Clicka from SSD (San Ysidro)
Sherman and Logan had two clicks in the early 1980's that might not have been mentioned yet...maybe some vets from LH and SM can verify these:
Sherman Locotes (SM LTS)
Logan Heights Locos (LHLS, LHTSLS)
The LH Locos click was small though (like 10-15 heads). I think they ended up clicking up with LH30ST or Red Steps.
Sherman LTS-don't know what happened to that. But I remember that they were pretty deep-and they used to kick it with Sherman 20's.
...and Gamma Boys back in the 1980's.....deep as f*ck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They had Southcrest and Shelltown on lock in the 80's! There used to be Gamma roll calls on loose leaf paper that listed 100+ names. You don't see that shit anymore...too many of those roll calls ended in the hands of SDPD!
It was funny. All varrios in the 80's had like a graffitti specialist that would make those roll calls.It was like being part of the cholo special ops!
It was like there had to be certain things on the list in order to make it a bona fide roll call.
You had to have some firme hynas, low riders, or a veterano looking cholo drawn next to the names. All you older cats (late 30's and 40's) will know what I'm talking about.
CHOLO SPECIAL OPS? lol
like- CHOPS?
thats hillarious, you also had to stand tall with both toes pointing outwards (away from each other)
also had to make the straightest crease in under 5 minutes flat
recite the lyrcs from angel baby and know them by heart
you hood had to have at least
1 flaco
1 joker
1 toker
1 shorty
to be a legit varrio!
know- you all know im just kidding and having some fun eh'....life in the varrio aint always that crazy - its about the good times too ese'
To answer the SELKS and SESDLS question:
They are not the same thing.
Southeast Lokos, AKA Southeast 13 Lokos, Southeast 13 (SELKS, SE13LKS): Is a Sureno gang. They used to also go by Southeast Sur 13 in the early 90's when they came up (1991/1992). It is a relatively new gang (in the sense that most SE and SB gangs go way back..1930's-1960's)
Some of SELKS clickas are:
-Imperial Avenue Boys (SELKS IAB)
-45Park (SELKS 45P)
-54th Street (SELKS54)
-and the Chula Vista clicka (has been inactive for sometime)
The rumor is that SELKS was made from a few ex-members of SEK and dropouts from Logan, Sherman, Shelltown, and Varrio Chula Vista. they are full time bangers, and they put in a lot of work.
Allies-Logan gangs and logan affiliatd taggers (WKLS, ALS, SESDLS, SERK, SEKN etc...)
Enemies-Shelltown, Varrio Encanto, VCV, OTNC, ESD13, SSD13, FK, SDK...
South East San Diego Locos (SESDLS): Is a tagbanger gang. Came up recently (early 2000).
Some of SESDLS clickas are:
-Mobsters (SESLS MOB)
-Ocean View (SESDLS OV)
-Malas (all female)
-Krazy Payasos (SEKPSDLS)
-Criminal Minded Locos (SECMSDLS)
Many SD gangs kind of look down on SESDLS (not my opinion...and I'm not tryong to diss). they kind of view them as these youngsters that are riding on SELKS name. I'm suprised that SELKS lets them tag up SESDLocos, cause SESDLS don't have the reputation of putting in work like other tagbangers (ALS, SERK, TNS, WKLS, SKA, 73LS, BAP...)
Allies: Logan gangs and Logan affialiated taggers, SELKS...
Enemies: Shelltown, Sherman, ESD13,Varrio Market, OTNC, VCV, SSD13, SDK, FK, RTS.....
BIG BAD ASS DOGX3TOWN 13
801 SUR LAKE CHAPTER
FUCK THA HATIXG BITCHES FUCK A BUSTER, THE PERROS BARKIX TILL WE GO 2 HEAVEN, SUR SIDE!!!
LOKES, SAPI, THUMPER, CHIVO, CYCLOXE, MALO, CHAXGO, SPAXKY, FLACO, SPIDER, BOXER, GORDO, TITO, RISKY, GIAXT, CASPER, LIL CASPER, BAXDIT, SLEEPY, SMILEY
DOGX3TOWN SUR LAKE POR VIDA FUCK AX EXEMIGRA
TKBS-They are banging 13ce now.
I guess they have a clicka called Telegraph Canyon Locos (TCLS, TKBS TCLS). You wouldn't think that you would find a gang in that part of Chula Vista (yes in Otay or the west of 3rd Avenue). But I guess there are some ratty ass apartments (that take section eight) on Telegraph Canyon Road, off of Nacion. Probably won't be long until this new gang dies off. I'm sure VCV and Otay will check 'em hard. I guess they already have beef with VCV-cause they cross out the C's on all of their taggings.
SSD FK-Is like a tagbanger crew that is "sponsored" by SSD13. I think SSD69LS is also a SSD13 "sponsor."
SBI, SAB, BTS-might have died off.
NMLS (AKA: NMC)-are in CV,Otay Mesa, Sidro, and Nestor. They have beef with Nestor19ST. I think used to beef with VCV, but they might get along now.
HLK-High Life Krew-or Hell Lane Klicka..in Chula Vista by Palomar and Industrial..they kick it at Harborside Park...they are mostly stoners and taggers...I don't think they bang (yet). You think they would bang, because that are of Chula Vista is run down and hoody. That hood is like a little cusion between VCV and Otay turf.
SSBTC-in Chula Vista on K Street between 3rd and 4th avenues. That a real tiny tagbanger click (or possibly a one man clicka!). the only hitup I ever see (now and then) is "SS BTC Dopey." never seen any other AKA's hitting that up, so I don't know how legit it is. BTC beefs with VCV-i see "Fuck Chupa," next to the hitups sometimes, and the 'C' is always crossed out in BTC.
What is UP with all these tagbangers from SESD and SBSD!!!!
CHOPS!!!! LOL!!!!
Sherman Locotes and Logan Heights Locos.....
I think they were vagabonds in those hoods....
Homies that claimed SM or LH, but they didn't belong to one of the clickas (or independent sets).
Like in the 80's Sherman had homies that just claimed BSM (Barrio Sherman), or they had homies that claimed BSM20ST (a Sherman clicka). I think the SMLTS were the same thing as BSM.
Now it's kinda weird...it's almost like Sherman 20 and Sherman 27 are two seperated gangs, and you either have to be in one or the other. You can't claim just "Barrio Sherman" anymore.
It almost the same wth Logan now too. RS, 30, 33. 13 seem like sperate gangs, and you can't just claim "Logan" anymore, you have to be from one of those sets.
I think the LH Locos in the 80's were also vagabonds that didn't belong to 26ST, 30ST, or RS.
Actually there is a click that claims just Barrio Logan. It is the Logan Heights X3 gang. Also, I know alot of fools from different Varrios that claim it, but don't bang it.
Here some mad props to tha tru G's in DAGO!
All these sets have the downest G's and they put in the mad work:
South Bay:
OTAY 13
OTNC
DEL SOL
IMPERIAL
NC ACRE BOYS
NC BLOCK BOYS
SIDRO
Southeast:
SHELLTOWN 38
SHELLTOWN GAMMA
SHERMAN 20
SHERMAN 27
LOGAN 30
LOGAN RED STEPS
VARRIO MARKET
LOMITA VILLAGE 70'S
East Side:
ESD 13
CITY HEIGHTS JUNIORS
West Side:
LINDA VISTA 13
North County:
ESCO VARRIO DIABLOS
VARRIO POSOLE
CENTER STREET LOCOS
VARRIO SAN MACOS GHOST TOWN
East County:
OFF THA MAP!
A lot of people say OTNC is the oldest gang in Dago...but I heard of OTAY (OTAY BARRIO), Sidro (BARRIO SAN YSIDRO), and POSOLE (POSOLE TOWN) being around as gangs since the 20's/30's.
OTAY vs SIDRO dates back to the 20's/30's!
Lone Wolf is right about NC ANCHOR BOYS. They were around in NC BEFORE OTNC came up. They came up in the early 40's. OTNC Night Owls came up in the late 40's/ early 50's. The Night Owls claimed "OLD TOWN" NC, because their barrio remained in an undeveloped old part of National City (west of NC BLVD from 8th to 24th), while newer houses were being put up east of National City BLVD the late 40's and early 50's. That's why the street sighs past National City BLVD says E(ast) before the street name that far west into NC. Back then...that was the east side! OTNC Gatos (50's/60's) are said to be the generation after the Night Owls. I guess there are still homies from OTNC that have kept GTS going throughout the years via new recruits.
Anchor Boys were supposed to have died off in the 50's...after OTNC took off. Don't know if they were allied though...but my uncle told me that Anchor Boys and Otay used to beef in the 1940's.
When the media/NCPD reports that OTNC has been around since WWII...I think they mean gangs in NC have been around since WWII (NC Anchor Boys). I'm sure all of you are well aware of how much the media...and PD tend to screw up the real deal when it come to our hoods. I read a PD report by Sanders himself, whicj stated that the RED STEPS were a click of the LOGAN 30TH STREET gang!
you cant leave out SE LKS.
and if you wanna put vMLs then you mine as well add vELs, cuz you definitely dont wanna get caught up in their hood.
and even if theyr a tagbanger crew you cant deny MV73Ls cuz theyve beefed it with ST pretty tough.
&there is A LOT of work being put in over in ESSD. not just ESD and JRS but ANLS ICK LHC SURX3SD and some tagbanger crews. but ESD is definitely on top over there.
...and if you put down OTNC and Otau...tou gotta add Varrio Chula Vista...cause they put in mad work on both OTNC and Otay. And you might as well put in West Side Lokos..cause they had it poppin off against VCV and other SBSD hoods.
But then you might as well list every gang in SD...cause all Chicano gangs in SD are straight X3...and they all put in on other varrios.
I think that homeboy was just giving his opinion on the current varrio superstars. Encanto has gotten weak...MV73LS is on its way out (courtsy of the 38 boys), CH ICK, and other gangs in ESSD are nowhere near the level of ESDX3 (ANLS is considered a joke in some circles).
I disagree with Logan30 and RSLS being on that list. Cause they are gettin a rep for using taggers to back them up...and they are also gettin a rep to be snitchin' on other hoods when they get pinched. But--that is varrio rumor.
Anyway..I guess it all comes down to opinion. The only G's I respect are the G's that don't bang on civilians, G's that don't rape, G's that don't diss an enemigas dead, and G's that respect the enemigas families. Now, that is getting to be a rare thing.
I'll straight out list some hoods that have problems keepin their youngsters in check for those issues.
NestorX9
VCV
Sidro
SE Lokos
VEncanto
VLogan
OTNC
Linda Vista 13
MV73LS
VPalm City
any of you vets from those hoods...start reelin in those youngsters!
ST38 and Gamma Boys cleaned up their status with those issues recently.
Lomas 26 and PHLS used have a bad rep like that...but I don't know about now.
Bar none..the hood that I really respect the most right now (and in the past too) is OtayX3. They always have had the rep of having the most stand up G's in the street...and in the pokey. They also have had the rep of having the most tight mouthed G's too.
But...that rep wasn't always the case. they had to do a lot of house cleaning too in order to get, and keep that rep.
But....This is coming from a civilians perspective (although I do have family in LoganRS and Lomita Traviesos).
SurX3SD...WTF is that???? Never heard of them. Isn't that just a general term...like San Diego X3? Is there really a gang called SurX3SD?
And those other ESSD hoods like Van Dyke, Aztec nation, ICK, Oak Park Locos....they are tiny, and they pale in comparisson to ESD13's reputation. I always hear diffrent cholos capping on Aztec Nation. They always say that AN is weak, and full of track stars 9then run fast when a fight breaks out). But I do agree that LHC and puts in real work. And, don't forget about NC SSM. they put in real work also!
Another thing about weak ass gangs that bang on civilians...the dead HK13 Lokos. That hood was notorius for that.
ALS, SEKN, SE WKLS, DTK, SE TNS, SS TKBS, ES RTS...all civilian bangers.
Back in the day..Varrio Las Palmas and Clarence Street Locos banged hard on cilvilians.
And...I know some of you on here are on the South Bay click of SELKS nuts (no respect intended...I just like saying that), but....
Two of their homeboys (who I will not name)...were notorius for banging on civilians as well as banging on G's. I'm pretty sure one is in PC..cause his rep had to follow him to prison. I wouldn't call shooting a pregnant woman in the stomach at point blank range "stand up."
Although the SB click did have some real stand up vatos (Bandit, Chico, Bala...especially Bala). Rumor is that a SELoko from the SB click is doing life for a murder he didn't commit. He is refusing to sell out one of his homeboys that actually did the murder........Stand up, or stupid? Or both?
But hear's the funny thing about that SE Lokos banging on civilians thing...
Be Down Boys and Easy Going Posse...banged hardcore on civilians back in the 90's. I remember fools from both those sets going to Chula Vista to try and bang on civilians at the libraries down there (of all the places). And those fools used to enjoy it, until a CV gang caught wind of the bullying and rolled up on BNB/EGP. those fools from BDB and EGP got SMASHED ON! HARD! Thta was the last time I heard about either BD and EGP being in CV.
Was it Otay...No.
Was it VCV...No.
...It was the notoriuos SE Lokos!
Maybe what I am tryin to say...in a round about way...
Is that all hoods have their stand up G's...and all hoods have their knuckleheads. and, sometime hoods go through periods of bullying.
I have a lot of experience with SB hoods. Born and raised in OTNC turf. I've known stand up G's in many sets (OTNC, SSM, ABS, VCV, VLO, SELKS, CPM, IMP, SSDBS, DS, VSY, IDM, FCW...), these sets also had their share of knuckleheads though.
^^^I meant "no DISRESPECT INTENDED"
Why doesn't OTAY13 claim Chula Vista (like VLOCV,CVO,OCV)? Their hood is in Chula Vista. I know that their #1 enemy is VCV, but in other citites, gangs that beef with each other still rep the same city.
Like Esco... VEV WSG beefs with Esco Diablos, but Diablos still hit up VEVD and EVD.
El Cajon...I think all their gangs beef with each other, but they all rep EC (ECD, ECOPH, ECHL, ECOL, ECVULS, ECTSM).
Oceanside...Pozole, Oceanside Wicked Surenos, Center Street, Mesa Locos all rep OS, but they beef.
Compton..a lot of beefs going on there!!! Tokers, Segundo, Largo, Lokos, Willow Street...all rep Compton Varrio (CV).
El Monte..Flores, Hicks, Hayes, Counts, Liga, SS, NS, X3, all rep Monte..but some of them beef.
All the gangs in NC rep NC (but I think they all get along).
Same with West Side Lokos, Fifth Block Crazies, Brandywine Locos. they are in Chula, but they don't rep CV. Why don't they rep CV (like CVWSLS,CVFBC,CVBWLS)???
its kinda like ESD.
the whole area is also the name of the gang. so all the other gangs in the area that dont get along with them probably feel like they should rep something else.
imagine if a tag went like this:
EAST SIDE JUNIORS X3
FUCK ESD!!
or like
EAST SIDE AZTEC NATION
FUCK KESO!!
and apparently the gang from North Park calls themselves North Park SURX3 SD Locos.
i see tags all over the place between NP and ESSD that say SURX3 and cross out ESD. im sure its the NP guys cuz on 2 occasions in Azelea park they came thru and did a big ass hitup on a wall that read
"vNPSUR13SDLcS fuck keso!"
i also know 2 guys that used to simply bang "SUR TRECE" one lived in NP one lived in ESSD
Juniors used to be "East Side Sur 13 Juniors"
Until they started beefin mad with ESDX3
VNorth Park Locos (VNPLS)...they used to be a joke...but now it seems like they are getting more ballsy.
people who just bang Sur 13 are wanna bes
Im with you , about the Sur 13 banging. Many of these guys are just banging it along with there blocks like North Park , City Heights and Clairemont . This is what I think , if your barrio isn't in the southside of your city then dont bang it , Clairemont should of sticked to banging Westside, now they diss it , same with NP and CH banging South in ES , thats a big side hop . CLMT and CH kick it with South East taggers crews to gain up against there enemy barrios which have more members like ESD which probably out number CH 12 to 1 and CLMT who is out numbered by the LindaVista and MissionBay gangs that roam through out many Clairemont streets . I think them thinking banging the south and kicking it with klowns isnt going to help , claiming the right side your block is in will boost recruitment up , because the influence would be everywere, put it like this you have a 14 year old kid who wants to bang his choices are that one sur 13 street , crew , ect or varrio Logan you tell me what he'll bang .
funny thing someone mentioned the CHULA VISTA LIBRARY - asian gangsters used to run deep (theyd get dropped off to do their homework and end up banging - lol)
I know that fool JAMES / YOGGSTER from IDM.he's one cool dude. stand up guy.
Funny how everyone uses anonymous to post, why? That fool JAMEs even gave his real name. respecto.
as far as OTAY claiming chula vista - its because they are in the city of chula vista, but the south end. VCV holds the mid-north (well, historically they do)
SE"LKS, mad props to them for putting in work in the 90's - real shit. real work.
SLEEPY"CHICO"LONELY"RASCAL"CLEVER"MORENO"
TRIPPS"TEMPER"...all stand up vatos..just dont cross them!
In fact, i used to see them SE"LKS boys w. that vato YOGI from IDM a few times (Yogi is not chicano, that fool is like samoan or something)
whats up with tagbangers lately, validated varrios in the south bay would never have let them ride...times are changing mi carnales.
ay - as much PRIDE as I have being chicano - it's good to see that we are not racist (above comment)and have not resorted to that type of thinging.
I have a question - back in the days - LOGAN HEIGHTS just claimed LOGAN HEIGHTS. Why is LOGAN now considered southeast, why do they rep that card? because its now popular to be from southeast?
LOGAN HEIGHTS / CHICAN PARK is on the westside...by the ocean que no?
I understand logan avenue runs through from west to east...but if there's any LH vatos - post some info up as to why you guys dont claim westside?
people post anonymous cause they don't have accounts
Otay-does not claim CV because the neighborhood of Otay was originally outside of CV limits, until the City of CV took it over in 1986. So Otay only reppin SB/SS/SSD, and not reppin CV is more of a historical thing.
About other varrios not claiming their respectives sides...I think that is silly too.
For example: Fuck my enemys..if I'm from CV, and I don't get along with VCV, then I would still bang just CV and my gangs intials...who cares what VCV says or thinks. Cause that's my hood.
It was funny, because for a whilet that was happening. Before Nutty Block Locos clicked up with VCV, they would just hit up CVNB, CV NLS. And VCV would cross 'em out (just the NB/NBLS part). That's what you see in Compton too (what up Sharky from CVSX3!) Compton Varrio gangs won't cross out the "CV" in in rivals hitups, but the will cross out the other gangs name. EX: If CVS crossed out CVTKS, the would only cross out the TKS.
But things are different in SD I guess.
I guess that pregnant lady must have crossed one of the SELKS then.
If you look a couple pages back, many questions have been addressed in previous posts, such as the Logan WS/SE issue, as well as a dude claiming North Park and Wicked Klowns getting their balls handed to them by smart dudes on here. For a quick throw back, here is how the whole SUR 13 NP thing went down. See, about Circa 1995 there were a bunch of paisas that went to Roosevelt junior high as well as a few that attended SDH. They would gather after school (yes, part time bangers up until it was time to be home by dark, swear to god and bullshit you not). They would post up at the bus stop in front of the Albertsons on University Avenue and Mississippi Street. Everyday, like clockwork, 3:00 pm a gathering of about 15 to 30 heads. Not doing anything but posturing for good looks. They had a friend or two who was from Logan X3, another paisa of course, that they would literally worship and suck the balls off of like he was a mega star. They weren't accepted by Logan, and East Side surely didnt want them, so they chose to click with Logan. This "Gang" was really an annoyance of sort to the North Park community. But I tell you what, honest homeboy these punks were NOTHING if they were not more than 5 deep. I saw soooooo many bang hard in groups but fold even rolling 2 or 3 deep. First hand witnessed Junior from Lomas walk up on 3 of them to have them RUN AWAY. 100 miles and running dog. And I wasnt the only one to see it. Tricky from PH and Diablo from Lomas were there as well as OG Shaggy from ES. We were a collective of neighbors who lived on Oregon street and laughed at the comedy of these "tough guys". They banged "SD SUR 13" because as one youngster told me, they claim "San Diego City". Go figure, we all do. But of course, over time most other gangs absolved the "Sur 13" collective and they were pretty much done until a couple years ago. I guess maybe one caught a little stretch and was told to claim the area and not bang the SUR 13 thing and they finally figured it out and started to claim NP, which is what we were all saying in the beginning! FUCK BANG TEXAS STREET OR NP! WE ARE ALL SUR 13 you dumbfucks! So now, they claim NPX3. They aren't that deep, and are mainly held to an alley spot or two along Alabama and University (most of the graffiti so SOMEONE lives by there). You know, alley drinkers with a can of paint. Someone went to gang graffiti school, because the writing has gotten better, but you can tell it is done by like one main head. And North Park is one of those areas that has dudes from ALL OVER living over there, like at Iowa Liquor I've met Logan dudes, Woptown, East Side, NC, even a couple El Cajon boys. They definitely did lose the temporary stranglehold of the Water Tower Park to the mayates and pimps, so nowadays you rarely see them at all. An annoyance more than a gang problem. Ditto for the SE Wicked Klowns thing. You had a dude by the name of GRIPS post on here a few pages back and then do a 180 and completely contradict himself. First he says they are a crew and not a click or a gang, and then a week or two later he comes back on here singing a different tune, talking about OCEAN VIEW BOYS and how they are a CLICK and all that shit. Like boy please, the fuck off with that lame shit. I knew the og klowns like TMK from the 90's that laugh at you fucking chomos. Riding that klown dick. But hey, I guess dick riding is the thing to do while trying to carve out an identity for yourself. That is what happens when there is no leadership in the streets and overnight gangs take the handle of something that seems validated and attach it to their own and run off like independents without paying tribute to those who were there in the begining. Fucking lames. Gotta run. My chela needs a refill and time to smoke some do-do.
I WANNA NO WATS UP WITH VARRIO MARKET STREET AND VARRIO ENCANTO,SOMEONE TOLD ME THEY HAD MAJOR BEEF WITH EACH OTHER,CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME INFO ON THAT,POR FAVOR
"That is what happens when there is no leadership in the streets"
NO SHIT HUH!
A lot of that going on in SD now...especially in the South Bay!!!
Thanks for the NORTH PARK info that shit was comedy.
Yea...about that North Park...I met a "vato" from there in 1998. He was 12yo, and he claimed North Park Locos (NPLS/VNPLS). I heard that everyone calls them Nopales. I guess that's better than being called Nalgas or Chupa Verga though.
Now, someone school me on Normal Heights Locos...are they around still I remember seing that hit up in off of Adams and Iowa a few years ago (NHLS). I thought it was a joke, but my homie that lived near there said there were a couple of high schoolers from NHLS that lived nearby him. I'm guessing that they "beefed" with NPLS. All that NPLS/NHLS shit may be a joke now, but that's how a lot of hoods start.
It's been poppin off in East Side lately!
A couple of other things...
V Iris ...they may have been one in the 70's that has no connection to todays V Iris X3. That same thing happened with VLas Palmas. The Palm City Locos gang ressurected the new Varrio Palm (PCLS, PALS, and PCFH). The rumor is that the PCLS didn't even know about the OG VLas Palmas...but I don't know if that is true. That area of SSD has a lot of history. I think one of the OG's that started up the "newer" V Iris was "Old Man" from FCW. He was a cool vato back in the day.
Fifth Block Crazy Locos (FBC/FBCLS/VFB) is brought up here every once in a while. They are a tiny click in Chula Vista that claim (or claimed)the area from 4th to 5th, and C ST to E ST. I never see any of those fools around. I live off of McIntosh and 5th (in the so called heart of their hood). The only vatos I see around there are from VCV, WSLS, and rarely OTNC.
That area was a warzone in the late 90's/early 2000's. VCV and WSLS were going at it hardcore back then (with OTNC jumping in the mix sometimes). It seemd like VCV, WSLS, and OTNC were turf fighting over Eucalyptus Park back then. Now it has been a lot calmer. I don't even think any hood controls Eucalyptus Park now.
VCV, OTNC, Otay, and whats left of the SB West Side Locos have those FBC fools in check. I really don't think they are a legitimate hood. It almost reminds me more a a 'one man gang.' All the hit-ups are from the same dude. I'm not even sure if there are kids claiming that anymore.
Man..west CV has gotten A LOT cleaner and safer now. It seems like all of the drama in CV is on Otay's turf now-in the SS of CV.
No ore SELKS, VCV just got the smack down put on them again by CVPD, WSLS is dying off, OTNC is on lay low status due to the injunction.
It looks like the main varrios in SBSD right now are Otay, Del Sol, and Sidro.
..and by the way...you don't need an account to give your AKA..
you can leave your AKA or name if you click on the "Name/URL" bubble
...and about the asian bloods banging at CV library...I remeber that too.
SE Lokos went into the library across from the police station, and fuckin CLEANED HOUSE! Right in the middle of the library entrance. I remeber a homie telling me that Happy from SE LKS went three on one with three of those bloods...and he tore em up!
Happy even took one of the bloods weapons, and started beating the blood with his own weapon (some sort of metal whip thing). i met Happy, Bandit, and Chico once..really cool vatos. hard as fuck though. I also met a white boy from SB SELKS that I think went by Casper. Did their clicka have a name (someone said SELKS Boys)? It was weird because they claimes SELKS, but they were in their own little "kingdom" in Chula Vista.
Anyway-I hope the best for for those homies that got locked up from their crew. Keep thos chins and knuckles up HAPPY BANDIT and CHICO!!!
Gracias homie. You know, I don't intend to be diserespectful, and even I get caught up in the moment. It all comes full circle anyway, but I am from the 80s homie where Varrios were Varrios and there were taggers who kept to themselves and had their own thing going. But we can go back and forth about what is going on right now and all fingers can point at one thing, NO LEADERSHIP. To those who want a quick education, pull up a chair dog. Now this is where knowledge and education takes precedence over bullshit so with all due respect, let me start off with my point. See, what happened when President Vicente Fox pledged to go after the Cartels? Well, before that, if we turn the clock back, everyone running along that and doing that thing held a little piece of real estate and handled their biz. Now, every once in a while lines were crossed but messages were sent within ranks and handled by the old code of conduct. WITHIN THE BALLPARK. When pres Fox went hand in hand with the US to crack down on the AFC since 1998 we have all bear witnessed to the chaos that it has bread. Leaders are taken down and that leaves a void for those with lust for power and minimal discipline to step into the role of leader and start where the relay torch was left off. Only one small problem, or big problem...in the small amount of time it took to create that void, everyone went scrambling looking for a side to take so as not to fall in the gray area. We were all led to beleive that doing so would prevent collateral damage and preserve innocence but what it did was create anarchy and chaos. The effort took a sheep threw it in a room full of wolves to settle the mess themselves. It was supposed to be a filter process but became just the opposite, with cannabalism and warfare being bred instead of the calm collective. I talk to everyone in TJ who echo this sentiment. This war on the Cartels has multiplied the three or four main factions into many mini groups.
My point is, the same approach was taken to gangs. Lock them up and throw away the key. The injunctions placed people who had years of being good dudes into violation by the legal language itself. See, what you youngsters dont realize is if you do a crime, even if it isn't gang related, they can ENHANCE that ass by ten years.
The NO LEADERSHIP thing is the product of 3 strikes, gentrification, and those who tire of banging due to the stress. LOOK AROUND DOG! There are NO MORE G's keeping the kids in line. That is all there fucken is. Youngsters on the block, shooting innocents, bullying civilians and taking that mayate THUG LIFE mentality and applying to their outlook.
Dude, I am sick of this shit man. And many of you may say "blah blah blah YOU do something then coming on here and talking that peace shit"...well you know what dog? I AM. I went to school dog and wrapped it up. I clean up the empty beer bottles on my bloque and keep everyone inside and don't drink on the porch. Why? Because until we take a proactive approach homie we are going to be just like those that we despise.
Why can't any of you feel me homie? It ain't a lost cause. As one vato on here put it, shit ain't as hard as it used to be. But what is more disappointing is we are losing the element of the VARRIO. The istoria. What it took for my nana took walk to the tienda without getting assaulted by some swabi's from the navy ship back in the 70's. And you know what the crazy thing is? ALL YOU VATOS will echo the same sentiment as I do when you look back 10 + years from now. Hopefully it won't be too late. Just take care of yourself and don't be no fucking lowlife dog, no matter what the odds are
The NO LEADERSHIP thing is the product of 3 strikes, gentrification, and those who tire of banging due to the stress. LOOK AROUND DOG! There are NO MORE G's keeping the kids in line. That is all there fucken is. Youngsters on the block, shooting innocents, bullying civilians and taking that mayate THUG LIFE mentality and applying to their outlook.
AMEN!!!! This says it all about the current varrio situatuion!
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For you East county heads...I heard that El Cajon Locos grew out of the defunct Calle Molle Locos. Is that true? How far back did CML go before they went inactive (or turned into ECLS)?
Gracias
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